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Was the treaty with the Ottoman Empire, or Turkey?

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The article describes the Treaty as being with the Ottoman Empire, but the text of the Treaty at Wikisource says that Turkey was the party to the Treaty. Which should be used? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 17:56, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say the latter as successor to the former but let me look into that a bit more. Turkey never ratified it. Selfstudier (talk) 18:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) The Treaty was with the Ottoman Empire, Turkey was used as the common name at the time, and also because the Treaty had the intent of dismantling the Empire, leaving a Turkish rump. DuncanHill (talk) 18:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"The Treaty of Sèvres, made with the regime of the sultan, provided for the de facto partition of Anatolia according to allied imperial interests. But the real locus of sovereignty had shifted to Greek and Turkish successor states, which settled the matter through renewed war."
https://academic.oup.com/book/10462/chapter-abstract/158339120?redirectedFrom=fulltext Selfstudier (talk) 18:21, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"In 1923, the country’s name was changed from the ‘Ottoman Empire’ to the ‘Republic of Turkey’. This change was recognised in the Treaty of Lausanne, which was indeed signed on July 24th, 1923 by ‘Turkey’, not the Ottoman Empire.
But this is not significant in terms of identity. In fact, the two terms (‘Turkey’ and ‘Ottoman Empire’) had long been used interchangeably. Thus, the term ‘Turkey’ had been used in official texts and international treaties in the 19th and 20th centuries to describe the Ottoman Empire.56 The fact that both names were used as synonymous is illustrated by the Treaty of Sèvres, which although signed by the Ottoman Empire in 1920, nevertheless contains a reference to ‘Turkey’.57 Both names were also used interchangeably in the context of the negotiation leading to the Treaty of Lausanne.58 Turkey’s name change is therefore not a determinant factor for proving discontinuity."
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/259424685_Is_turkey_the_%27continuing%27_state_of_the_ottoman_empire_under_international_law Selfstudier (talk) 18:30, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, @Selfstudier and @DuncanHill for the explanation. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 03:53, 21 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]