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Expansion in May 2020

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Kautilya3 can you please stop being disruptive. You are removing huge sections of entire pages that are full of refences. I think the real reason why you oppose people adding content to wikipedia is because of the following statement on your talk page where you said:

As for my personal views, I don't see any of the problems you see, except the latest unilateral revocation of the special status of Jammu and Kashmir. And, that is a battle to be fought in the Supreme Court of India, not on Wikipedia pages. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 09:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Thats like saying that the whole section on the Kashmir should not exist. Only the revocation of the special status of Jammu and Kashmir page should exist. The treaty of Amritsar 1846 predates the creation of the Supreme Court of India. It was signed between the Sikh Empire and the British Empire. Please stop being disruptive. Johnleeds1 (talk) 13:56, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose this rant was in response to my revert on 3 June 2020. I didn't notice that Johnleeds1 pretty much immediately reinstated his content and wrote this comment without addressing the issues or even querying what the issues were. My edit summary said The new content does not meet WP:V and WP:NPOV.

Some 15 one-page citations have been used for the new content. The same citations are used in a mix-and-match WP:CITEKILL fashion for every statement in the content. Most of these citations are probably useless, many do not meet the requirements for WP:HISTRS, and even the ones that are cited are probably misrepresented. Let us take the first sentence of the expansion for a sample:

During First Anglo-Sikh War, Maharaja Gulab Singh Jamwal (Dogra) helped the British Empire against the Sikhs.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]

References

  1. ^ Fenech, E. Louis; Mcleod, H. W. (2014-06-11). Historical Dictionary of Sikhism. Rowman & Littlefield. p. 130. ISBN 978-1-4422-3601-1.
  2. ^ By G. S. Chhabra. Advance Study in the History of Modern India (Volume-2: 1803-1920). p. 188.
  3. ^ William A. Brown (30 November 2014). The Gilgit Rebellion 1947. Pen & Sword Military.
  4. ^ Pranay Gupte (15 February 2012). Mother India: A Political Biography of Indira Gandhi. Penguin Books India. p. 266. ISBN 978-0-14-306826-6.
  5. ^ Stanley Wolpert. India and Pakistan: Continued Conflict Or Cooperation?. p. 21.
  6. ^ Christopher Snedden. Understanding Kashmir and Kashmiris. p. 67.
  7. ^ Bawa, Satinder Singh (1974). The Jammu Fox: A Biography of Maharaja Gulab Singh of Kashmir, 1792-1857. Southern Illinois University Press. p. 263.
  8. ^ Rai, Mridu (2004). Hindu Rulers, Muslim Subjects: Islam, Rights, and the History of Kashmir. Princeton University Press. pp. 27, 133. ISBN 0-691-11688-1.
  9. ^ Raja Afsar Khan, 2006 - Islam. The Concept, Volume 26, Issues 1-6. p. 42.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)
  10. ^ Vijay Kumar. Anglo-American Plot Against Kashmir. People's Publishing House, 1954 - Jammu and Kashmir. p. 10.
  11. ^ G. M. D. Sufi. Kashir, Being a History of Kashmir from the Earliest Times to Our Own, Volume 2. Light & Life Publishers, 1974 - Jammu and Kashmir.
  12. ^ Satinder Singh Bawa. Gulab Singh of Jammu, Ladakh, and Kashmir, 1792-1846 University of Wisconsin--Madison, 1966. p. 218.

The first citation is reasonable, though it is not probably not neutral given that it is a dictionary of Sikhism. All the others seem to be quite random: Gilgit Rebellion, Biography of Indira Gandhi etc. These are non-specialist works, which might make remarks in passing, which would in no way establish the veracity of the claim. There are only two decent citations: Satinder Singh Bawa's book, which has been cited twice: in book form (7) and in thesis form (12), and Mridu Rai.

The book citation of Bawa (7) refers to the last page of the index, which has no content! And the thesis citation (12) says [Gulab Singh] offered to help the British annex Panjab if they would, in turn, confirm him in his possessions and help him exact vengeance for his murdered family. It doesn't say he "helped". And this "offer of help" was long before the war itself. Gulab Singh had long been wanting to side with the British openly, if they could help him get released from the clutches of the Sikhs. But they didn't accept the offer. This has nothing to do with the war.

The other good citation is Mridu Rai, who says on page 26, Among these Gulab Singh stood out particularly prominently; he had rendered invaluable service to the Company by remaining neutral during the Anglo-Sikh hostilities. Is remaning neutral called "helping"? This is on pgae 26. There is nothing related on page 27; I don't know why it was mentioned.

These citations were not obtained by reading all the relevant literature as WP:NPOV requires you to do. They were likely obtained by typing in a particular POV into the Google search, and retrieving all the sources that supported that particular POV. This is not the way of NPOV.

The entire expanded content shows no understanding of what the treaty was about, and how it came about. It was designed to push certain POVs. Hence it is not acceptable for Wikipedia. -- Kautilya3 (talk) 23:01, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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