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Modes

"The tonic can be a different tone in the same scale, when the work is said to be in one of the modes of the scale>"

This is a complicated way of introducing the non-tonal modes, and in my view it comes far too early in the article. It's likely to confuse readers. Tony (talk) 10:44, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with this. In addition, the sentence before said "the single pitch or triad with the greatest stability is called the tonic," and one does not see what is meant by "a different tone in the same scale": different from the one with the greatest stability? In what sense could it be the tonic, then?

On the other hand, I think that the replacement of "note in the same scale" by "tone in the same scale" is unjustified. It seems to me that tones, once they belong to a scale, become notes (this is a complex matter, yet...). – Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 13:42, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tone is the correct techical term; a note has rhythmic value, and is performed by a specified voice or instrument. Tony (talk) 02:17, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Any objection to removing the threads above that are at least eight years old? Tony (talk) 02:19, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose you mean archiving? Yes, please. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:22, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lead rewrite

The lead for this article is egregiously unhelpful for a general audience: I'm trying my best to rewrite it, and here's what I have so far:

In the music theory of harmony, tonality is the arrangement of a musical passage around a particular central pitch, called the the tonic. To the listener, relationships between different pitches in the context of the tonic may be perceived in different ways—with some relationships feeling "stable", and others feeling "directional". Conventionally, it is understood that chords built upon the tonic in a given musical key feel the most stable, with less stable passages eventually "leading" the listener towards a resolution with the tonic chord.

But that's still a lot—this is very hard to introduce with no prior context afforded, as simple as the concept feels. — Remsense诉 12:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]