Talk:Tombstone, Arizona/Archive 1
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Lady Banksia
Can anyone add a section about the "Lady Banksia"? It's the world's largest rosebush, planted 4 years after the "shoot-out". I'd do it but I'm not so good at formatting, etc. Thanks, TRCunning
Units of measure
According to WP:MOSNUM#Units_of_measurement, it seems pretty clear that for U.S. articles, metric measurements should be secondary (not primary). Omnedon 03:01, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- If you believe this, please take it up somewhere like the cities or United States wikiproject, for all US place articles with US Census data are formatted like this. Nyttend 03:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it's pretty clearly-stated: "For US-related articles, the main units are US units; for example, 10 miles (16 km)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omnedon (talk • contribs) 03:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- They were incorrectly formatted like that by a bot. Perhaps it is time to have bot fix this. —MJCdetroit 15:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Then ask for that — we've had bots go through all demographics sections several times, and I'd not mind such a change if it were universal. Meanwhile, please don't disrupt Wikipedia to make your point. Nyttend 15:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Just because some bot instituted things incorrectly doesn't mean it should stand flatly in the face of WP:UNITS. There is no good reason to list metric units first in a U.S. related article. IvoShandor 15:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Then ask for that — we've had bots go through all demographics sections several times, and I'd not mind such a change if it were universal. Meanwhile, please don't disrupt Wikipedia to make your point. Nyttend 15:08, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- They were incorrectly formatted like that by a bot. Perhaps it is time to have bot fix this. —MJCdetroit 15:04, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- Well, it's pretty clearly-stated: "For US-related articles, the main units are US units; for example, 10 miles (16 km)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omnedon (talk • contribs) 03:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
(unindent)If you're still unsure see Springfield, Illinois a GA and Detroit, Michigan an FA. WikiProjects cannot overrule community consensus at MOS. IvoShandor 15:32, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- If you program a bot to find something that is incorrect, it will do just that. If you manually correct an article to the correct format before a bot does, the bot will simply skip the article and move on. So correcting the demographics section now will not mess up a bot do something later on. —MJCdetroit 16:43, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- My point is that you don't know what the standard wording will be, so you don't know what the exact correct format is. Look at a range of place articles: most have "in ____ County, [Statename], United States", but some have "USA" or "US" or "United States of America". Not that it's totally incorrect, but that it would result in nonstandard wording. Nyttend 17:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- The standard wording is according to community consensus at WP:UNITS, if you have issue with the MOS, take it up there. The reason this clause is in the MOS is to avoid edit wars like this. What the issue you are raising has to do with the units I am unsure. IvoShandor 17:34, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
- My point is that you don't know what the standard wording will be, so you don't know what the exact correct format is. Look at a range of place articles: most have "in ____ County, [Statename], United States", but some have "USA" or "US" or "United States of America". Not that it's totally incorrect, but that it would result in nonstandard wording. Nyttend 17:16, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
Popular culture
The popular culture section is clearly too long; what should be done with it? I'd advise removing everything except sources that focus primarily on Tombstone, and significant sources too — books but not stories or poems or songs, and movies and plays and television series but not individual episodes. Nyttend (talk) 02:40, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I took a shot at turning the section from list to prose, which is a start. I agree the TV stuff can be chopped to "Tombstone was mentioned in Doctor Who and... (etc.)," and other similar changes would be appropriate. And even more dramatic pruning wouldn't bother me in the least. Townlake (talk) 15:24, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I simply removed the television shows; I cannot imagine how they're significant of mention. Nyttend (talk) 16:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- Fair 'nuff. I won't be reverting that. Townlake (talk) 17:00, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
- I simply removed the television shows; I cannot imagine how they're significant of mention. Nyttend (talk) 16:49, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
Ghost town?
How, exactly, can a town with a population of over 1,500 be classified as a ghost town? Just curious. --Hn 01:15, May 4, 2005 (UTC)
- Must be because it's a ghost of its former self? Joekoz451 03:18, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
It's a "look and feel" thing :). History may recur first as tragedy, then as farce, as Hegel and Marx said. But even THEY didn't add that the second or even third time tends to be theme-park type tourist trap. A lot of the "ghost town" of Tombstone today is about as real as a Disney ride. Every time I visit, it seems there are new 120 year-old historic features. Golly. Sbharris 02:11, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
No, I have been to Tombstone many times, and It is NOT a ghost town. --Paleo Kid (talk) 21:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
It's possible to classify Tombstone as a former Ghost Town. Once the mines and the fires hit, people did move away-- but it's not "The Town Too Tough To Die" because it's a ghost town. It's more of a tourist town than a ghost town, now-a-days.--Jadewik (talk) 00:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
Assessment
It's surely longer than most Start-class articles, but I don't think there are enough sources/references for C-class. The History, Tourism, and Historic District sections—the main body of the article—have 2 citations among them. Ntsimp (talk) 17:41, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
I'm going to leave the actual edits for someone able to look up and find more documentation, but the situation between townsfolk/capitalists and the "cowboys" is more complicated than the current article suggests; and the cowboys were not such inveterate criminals and rustlers as this article suggests. It's rather partisan and purely follows the point of view of the Earp faction, without acknowledging that the Earp's supporters have a very biased view. The Earps themselves were not such pure, law-abiding citizens with no stains of wrongdoing upon them as Hollywood would have you believe, either.99.40.71.67 (talk) 10:31, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
Broken ELs
The two External links (from EL section) that go to loc.gov are broken. I was able to locate the panorama but the resulting link looks suspicious, it's very long and contains things like "temp." Anyone know how to make a permalink to loc.gov photos? Alternately, maybe we should just copy it, since copyright has lapsed. Kendall-K1 (talk) 19:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
What is the relationship between Tombstone and Bisbee
This is perhaps just personal curiosity, albeit that I think could be incorporated further into the article: aside from Bisbee becoming the county seat, was there any relationship of the major copper boom that took place there and the failure of the Tombstone mines. Namely, did many of the miners (and merchants, etc.) from Tombstone migrate to Bisbee, and is there thus a historic link between the two that could be fleshed out in the article? Or are they merely nearby mining towns, and the boom population of Tombstone scatter all over? Morgan Riley (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
Founding dates
"founded in 1879 by Ed Schieffelin...The town prospered from about 1877 to 1890." What? How was Tombstone prosperous before it was founded? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.176.168.125 (talk) 18:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)