Talk:Tomasz Misiak

Possible Defamation Case

Dear Wikipedia Editors, I am writing from Poland to express concerns regarding the Wikipedia page associated with Mr. Misiak. It has come to my attention that the content currently published may be significantly influenced by individuals openly in conflict with Mr. Misiak. I suspect that the contributions might even be coordinated with or influenced by Mr. Misiak's wife. The information, as it stands, appears to be predominantly inaccurate or misleading. I had previously made edits to this page, aiming to correct the misrepresented facts with information supported by public sources. Unfortunately, my changes were reverted, which I believe undermines the integrity and purpose of Wikipedia as a platform for factual and unbiased information. In light of this, I respectfully suggest a reevaluation of the edits I submitted last month. The objective is to ensure that the page reflects accurate information and does not serve as a medium for defamation. Upholding the principles of veracity and neutrality is paramount, and I trust that the Wikipedia community shares these values. Thank you for considering my recommendation and for your ongoing commitment to maintaining the reliability of Wikipedia. Sincerely, Greg GrzegorzNews (talk) 21:43, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

Question for administrator

I have observed that there appears to be an individual actively engaged in modifying published information, removing verified details, and participating in actions that could be construed as defamation, seemingly at the behest of another party. This activity not only undermines the integrity of the information but also potentially harms the reputation of individuals or entities through the dissemination of untruths. I believe it is crucial to address this behavior promptly and ensure that all published information remains accurate, factual, and free from malicious tampering. I urge the relevant authorities or platforms to investigate these alterations thoroughly and take appropriate measures to rectify any inaccuracies and prevent further instances of such conduct — Preceding unsigned comment added by GrzegorzNews (talk • contribs)

GrzegorzNews Wikipedia has no central authority to address grievances. Admins like me have no more authority than any other editor, just additional tools. Do you have a particular interest in regards to this subject? Please discuss your specific grievances here.

Accusations of a conspiracy are serious, and require serious evidence. Please give your evidence(which is not just disagreement with your edits); if off wiki information is involved, you will need to communicate it to a checkuser privately, see WP:CHECKUSER. 331dot (talk) 19:06, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

The information you are attempting to add is poorly written and questionably sourced. Please discuss this here before editing. 331dot (talk) 19:10, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

My opinion on this matter stems from the structure of the material in the English version, which is completely different from the Polish version. It can be considered manipulated.

== Examples==

1. The section regarding leaving politics includes false media information for which, in a later period, these media outlets apologized following court decisions on the violation of personal rights; this information is absent in the English version.

https://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/polityka/artykuly/154995,afery-senatora-misiaka-nie-bylo.html

https://archive.is/20120905142506/http://www.misiak.org/media.html

Information about the visa tender contains false suggestions published by media involved on the side of one of the companies participating in the tender. The tender was ultimately settled in public procurement arbitration, did not raise any controversies, nor was it non-transparent. Suggesting connections with Russian intelligence in the biography of a living person based on the publication of a niche newspaper is a strong deviation from Wikipedia's principles. The material in WP.PL, one of the largest Polish internet portals, describes unethical practices of one of the parties in this procedure. Despite this, the text remains present in the biography.

https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/wszystkie-chwyty-dozwolone-ostra-walka-o-obsluge-ukraincow-i-gore-pieniedzy-6693338645912224a

The material concerning the arrest and charges does not include that the court of first instance determined that it saw no crime in the cases of Mr. Witucki and Mr. Misiak. It also lacks information that this matter became an element of the appeal of several non-governmental organizations and numerous authorities led by Lech Walesa, as an example of so-called malicious political investigations conducted by the undemocratic government of PiS. The Minister of Justice committed to reviewing these cases. The detention of Maciej Witucki and Tomasz Misiak was considered a scandal and an attempt to intimidate business circles by the business community. Maciej Witucki was detained during Poland's largest economic conference, EFNI, of which he was the main organizer.

https://cornerstone-im.com/news/an-appeal-for-a-review-of-politically-motivated-prosecutorial-proceedings-in-20152023-and-the-rehabilitation-of-the-victims

https://en.odfoundation.eu/content/uploads/2023/10/2023.10-odf-malicious-prosecution-report-v01.pdf page 58

https://en.odfoundation.eu/a/725327,bodnars-open-letter-to-walesa-on-investigations-from-pis-days/ GrzegorzNews (talk) 22:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

(editor making request is parblocked from the article itself)

• What I think should be changed (format using {{}}): {{the following fragment described below does not apply to Mr. Tomasz Misiak and his BLP - regarding the "Post-political scandals" tab - Mr. Tomasz Misiak has not been convicted in any case related to selling drugs to celebrities, he was also never accused of drug dealing - it has not been legally confirmed that he was involved in this practice - there is no final court decision confirming such unfounded accusations. Articles that are supposed to justify information about Mr. Tomasz Misiak do not concern him but concern a "star dealer" - they are in no way related to Mr. Misiak (note 11 and 12 of the English version) - such article describing these facts should be created for " "star dealer" and not for Mr. Tomasz Misiak - there is no confirmation of Mr. Tomasz Misiak's participation in this practice. Article references in this section do not mention at all the Tomasz Misiak - Mr. Tomasz Misiak's name is not mentioned in the articles(note 10 and 11). This fragment contains information that is not directly related to the activity or life of the person described in the article. The sources on which this fragment is based concern other people or events, which misleads the reader and may cause false associations. In this case, the fragment is based on information that does not directly refer to the person in question, which can be recognized as inconsistent with Wikipedia's policy on accurate reporting of facts. The No Original Research policy also states that article should not include information that could be interpreted as suggestions that are not supported by actual and reliable sources (Fakt.pl in the sources only mention the name of Tomasz Misiak). Fakt.pl should not be considered a reliable source for biographies of living people on Wikipedia. Fakt.pl is a tabloid newspaper, which means that its publications often focus on sensational and emotionally charged content, rather than objective and reliable presentation of facts. Fakt.pl often publishes content that may be exaggerated or focus on controversial topics in order to attract the attention of readers, which affects its perceived credibility. Wikipedia has special rules for biographies of living persons (BLP), requiring the use of only the highest quality sources in order to protect the privacy and good name of the people described. This policy emphasizes that information about living people must be fully verifiable and come from reliable, neutral sources. Fakt.pl, due to its tabloid profile and tendency to publish sensational information, does not meet these high standards, making it an inappropriate source for use in biographies on Wikipedia.The article about the wp.pl news (footnote 12) is also entirely based on and quotes articles from the fakt.pl tabloid. In order to keep the article in line with Wikipedia's guidelines, I suggest removing the part that does not refer to this person.}}
• Why it should be changed:{{I am writing to provide a detailed justification for the proposed changes to the article on Tomasz Misiak (English version). These edits adhere to Wikipedia’s policies on neutrality, verifiability, and reliability. The information provided is factual, presented without bias, and intended to improve the article’s balance by including recent developments. The current article contains information that, may not fully capture recent developments regarding Tomasz Misiak (English version). This missing context creates a partial view, which could unintentionally mislead readers by omitting significant recent events. By including the proposed updates, the article will provide a comprehensive, balanced overview, fulfilling Wikipedia’s commitment to an accurate and complete representation of topics related to Tomasz Misiak. Recognizing the collaborative nature of Wikipedia, I am fully committed to transparency regarding these additions and am open to discussing any concerns on the article’s talk page. My intent is to contribute constructively by enhancing the quality and of the article, strictly in alignment with Wikipedia’s standards.Thank you in advance for considering this request. }}
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):https://expatriate.pl/polish-celebrities-drug-dealer-apprehended-in-warsaw/

https://www.pap.pl/aktualnosci/news%2C1511375%2Csprzedawal-narkotyki-znanym-osobom-diler-gwiazd-uslyszy-prawomocny-wyrok https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/byly-senator-po-klientem-dilera-gwiazd-mial-kupowac-kokaine-6280682476112001a

Mocca20 (talk) 13:22, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

References

This request is almost unintelligible. Please be much clearer about the exact edit we want to be made. And we won't let you proxy in the very changes you tried to make before. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 05:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback on our initial request to amend the article regarding Tomasz Misiak. We understand that our previous communication may not have been sufficiently clear. We are submitting this response to provide detailed clarification on the exact changes we are requesting and the rationale behind them, all in adherence to Wikipedia’s guidelines.

We are specifically requesting the removal of the section under the "Post-political scandals" tab in the English-language article on Tomasz Misiak. This section contains information that erroneously implies Mr. Tomasz Misiak’s involvement in drug dealing or associations with a "star dealer." The content in question is factually incorrect, not substantiated by reliable sources, and violates Wikipedia’s Biographies of Living Persons (BLP) policy.

Justification for the Change

- Factual Inaccuracy - The current section mentions allegations that Tomasz Misiak was involved in purchasing drugs from a "star dealer." However, no reliable source confirms this information. The sources referenced in the article (e.g., Fakt.pl and wp.pl) do not directly connect Mr. Misiak to these allegations. Notably, footnotes 10, 11, and 12 in the English version of the article reference events unrelated to Mr. Misiak: Footnote 10 and 11: These articles discuss a "star dealer" but do not mention Tomasz Misiak’s name. Footnote 12: This article, hosted on wp.pl, relies entirely on content from Fakt.pl, a tabloid known for sensationalism and not meeting Wikipedia’s reliability standards.

- Violation of Wikipedia's BLP Policy - According to Wikipedia’s BLP policy, information about living persons must be supported by reliable, high-quality sources. Tabloid sources like Fakt.pl fail to meet this standard due to their sensationalist nature and lack of verifiable reporting. The policy further emphasizes that unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons must be removed immediately. The implication of drug-related activities without credible evidence harms Mr. Misiak’s reputation and contradicts the principles of neutrality and verifiability.

- Misleading Content - The section as written misleads readers into associating Mr. Misiak with criminal activities without any legal basis or confirmed allegations. There is no court ruling or verified accusation connecting him to the "star dealer" case. This creates a false narrative, unfairly impacting Mr. Misiak’s reputation.

We request that the whole following text under the section "Post-political scandals" be removed. This removal will ensure that the article aligns with Wikipedia’s guidelines and accurately represents Mr. Misiak’s biography without unverified or misleading claims. The following sources illustrate the lack of evidence connecting Mr. Misiak to the allegations and support the removal of the contested section:

Expatriate.pl: "Polish Celebrities Drug Dealer Apprehended in Warsaw" - This article discusses the "star dealer" case but does not mention Tomasz Misiak.

Link: https://expatriate.pl/polish-celebrities-drug-dealer-apprehended-in-warsaw/

PAP.pl: "Sprzedawał narkotyki znanym osobom diler gwiazd usłyszy prawomocny wyrok" - This article details the case but does not implicate Tomasz Misiak.

Link: https://www.pap.pl/aktualnosci/news%2C1511375%2Csprzedawal-narkotyki-znanym-osobom-diler-gwiazd-uslyszy-prawomocny-wyrok

WP.pl: "Były senator PO klientem dilera gwiazd - miał kupować kokainę" - This article, citing Fakt.pl, is not a reliable source under Wikipedia’s standards.

Link: https://wiadomosci.wp.pl/byly-senator-po-klientem-dilera-gwiazd-mial-kupowac-kokaine-6280682476112001a

This request adheres to Wikipedia’s core content policies: Neutral Point of View (NPOV): The removal of misleading and unsupported claims ensures a fair and unbiased representation of Mr. Misiak. Verifiability: Only verified and high-quality sources should support claims about living persons. Tabloids like Fakt.pl do not meet this criterion. No Original Research (NOR): The contested section relies on sources that suggest interpretations unsupported by direct evidence.

We are committed to working collaboratively to ensure the article meets Wikipedia’s standards. If further clarification or edits are required, we welcome constructive dialogue on the talk page to address any concerns. Mocca20 (talk) 10:31, 28 November 2024 (UTC)