Talk:Tom Wilson (ice hockey)

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Semi-protected edit request on 2 May 2018[edit]

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Change the word "disgusting human being...." to "an aggressive, effective, and sometimes controversial Hocky player" Davidsalzberg (talk) 19:34, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done just because that was all vandalism. I changed it back to what it was originally. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 19:40, 2 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

For whenever the page is unprotected or for someone who has access to edit, here is sourcing for his most recent suspension here, and the header should be changed to say "five occasions" now. Mumblecores (talk) 19:22, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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To enforcer (ice hockey) or unlock the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 36.11.228.27 (talk) 04:49, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 17 May 2021[edit]

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Remove "Immediately following the altercation with Buchnevich, Wilson attacked Rangers forward Artemi Panarin, thwarting him to the ice. The following day, the NHL announced that there would be no suspension for Wilson' attack on Panarin, which resulted in a backlash from around the NHL as well as the Rangers"

This section is for fines and suspensions, not for actions that should have received supplemental discipline. Ronmanning86 (talk) 05:24, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. This seems to be relevant being that it was immediately after another event he was fined for. — IVORK _Talk 06:22, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

There's no discussion of other scrums that occurred near the time of other events in the list, despite most of them having after-event scrums. I'll submit another edit request to change the existing text to be from a neutral point of view- in accordance with the five pillars Ronmanning86 (talk) 16:36, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "Immediately following the altercation with Buchnevich, Wilson attacked Rangers forward Artemi Panarin, thwarting him to the ice. The following day, the NHL announced that there would be no suspension for Wilson' attack on Panarin, which resulted in a backlash from around the NHL as well as the Rangers." to "Immediately following the incident with Buchnevich, Rangers forward Artemi Panarin engaged Wilson in the scrum, which resulted in Wilson throwing Panarin to the ice. The following day, the NHL announced that there would be no supplemental discipline for the altercation with Panarin, which incited backlash from around the NHL as well as the Rangers' management who were fined $250,000 for disparaging remarks regarding the NHL Department of Player Safety."

This edit is more in line with the five pillars, describing what happened from a neutral point of view. (and it fixes some minor typos) Ronmanning86 (talk) 16:52, 17 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I've done a rewording of the paragraph, but didn't implement your proposed changes. There's nothing to NPOV here; if sources are writing that Wilson attacked and threw Panarin, we follow suit. I don't see why we need to soften this up. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 13:36, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 13:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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Lede[edit]

professional ice hockey right wing - professional ice hockey player who is positioned at right wing... Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to "right winger", as "winger" is the name for the player. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Wilson was named to the Capitals' roster - named in, surely. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I think "named to" is proper, but as I couldn't find it in the source, I changed to "made the roster". — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW, googling "named to the roster" returns 365,000 results while "named in the roster" returns 127,000. -- Pemilligan (talk) 14:59, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- - that doesn't make it grammatically correct. A Roster is a "list of people's names and/or schedules". You aren't named to a list, you are named in a list. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:01, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The lede seems to comment a lot on him getting put on the spotlight for not receiving finds/bans, but surely this isn't his fault? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:58, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Changed to emphasize that most of the criticism is towards his "headhunting" (i.e. targeting other skaters' heads and necks, which is a very big no-no for obvious reasons). — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General[edit]

in Toronto, Ontario - should probably comment this is in Canada. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't think that's necessary, as Toronto is the largest city in Canada and this would probably fall under common knowledge, but added anyway. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
What's a rep team? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Specified that these are different competition levels of minor hockey, as is stated in the minor ice hockey article. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a suitable link for "draft" it means an open window where I come from Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. Also rephrased OHL draft to Priority Selection (the specific term used by that league) and added a WL to the relevant article. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Draft (sports) or, more specifically, NHL Entry Draft. -- Pemilligan (talk) 14:51, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a suitable link for "fights"? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Fighting in ice hockey is linked earlier, during the section on his junior career. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps Fighting in ice hockey. -- Pemilligan (talk) 14:53, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

fined $2,403.67 - do we need to be so specific ? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Specified that it's the max allowed under the NHL Collective Bargaining Agreement. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a reason why the subsections of career are set the way they are? Could we not come up with a title for them as well? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- They're based on when he received various contract extensions (June 30, 2016, and July 27, 2018, respectively). — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some of the pieces about his international career would suit the lede. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the source for the career stats? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Added. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think the article in general should make a bigger deal that he has won the Stanley Cup. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:07, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I have done my best. However, because hockey is more of a team sport than, say, baseball, an individual player winning the Cup is only really a big deal if the player contributed a clutch goal, or if they were a goaltender with a shutout performance. It's not the same as, say, someone's grand slam during the WS. Additionally, because the Cup win came during Wilson's "dirty year", most of the discourse around his championship had to do with some of that aforementioned headhunting, so it's difficult to find sources that talk about the win in a positive or even neutral fashion. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Hmm, I think I disagree. If someone was in the FIFA World Cup winning squad, even if they didn't play, that would still be mentioned in the lede. If someone played five games during a UEFA Champions League season, but only played in the group stage, that would still be a big deal. This player would have a Stanley Cup medal of some description. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:58, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Review meta comments[edit]

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:32, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Lee Vilenski: I have made the edits, except where noted above. — Ghost River 16:22, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Lee Vilenski Checking in again in case this slipped off your radar over the last few days. — Ghost River 18:01, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - I still think we could mention his Stanley Cup medal a bit more, but otherwise happy to pass. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]