Talk:Tom Ballard (climber)

A news item involving Tom Ballard (climber) was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the In the news section on 10 March 2019.

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A fact from Tom Ballard (climber) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 5 April 2019 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that both Tom Ballard and his mother Alison Hargreaves died climbing in the Himalayas, more than 23 years apart?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2019/April. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Tom Ballard (climber).

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Daniele Nardi

@PeaBrainC: Thanks for creating this article. Do you think is possible to write an article for Daniele Nardi too? Here there is the article that was deleted from it.wiki, but maybe it could be useful. (Google translation here) --Holapaco77 (talk) 09:00, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Holapaco77:, thanks for your helpful additions and your link to the Daniele Nardi article that had been on the Italian wiki. Why was the article deleted from the Italian wiki in the first place? I see that the article was well referenced to Italian sources but I'm struggling to find much written in English about him and my Italian language skills are negligible. Ballard was notable for his first solo winter ascents but I'm not entirely clear about what makes Nardi a notable climber? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PeaBrainC (talk • contribs) 14:45, 4 mar 2019 (UTC)

@PeaBrainC: sorry, I didn't get your ping. Probably Nardi's article wasn't in good shape according to it.wiki standards. Anyway, I found that 2007 Nardi's expedition on K2 was filmed by RAI (national public broadcasting company of Italy) on documentary K2: il sogno, l'incubo (K2: the dream, the nightmare) directed by the very famous Italian sports journalist Marco Mazzocchi. Then, during 2015 expedition on Nanga Parbat, Nardi made a documentary film Throuugh the unknown (italian: Verso l'ignoto), that got some awards in many Mountain Film Festivals. After this film, a book was published by Rizzoli, and another book is going to be pubblished soon by Einaudi (they are big and famous italian publisher). --Holapaco77 (talk) 13:07, 8 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Date of death

His body was found on 9 March. There is no evidence that he died on that date. It seems far more likely that both climbers died before then. How should this be treated in the text and the infobox? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest "Between 24 February and 9 March" as these dates represent the last recorded contact and the date their bodies were found. PeaBrainC (talk) 12:06, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds reasonable. One might expect some kind of MoS advice/ rule on this? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The relevant guideline would appear to be MOS:APPROXDATE - specifically "Other forms of uncertainty should be expressed in words, either in article text or in a footnote: April 14, 1224 (unattested date). Do not use a question mark (1291?), because it fails to communicate the nature of the uncertainty.". PeaBrainC (talk) 13:05, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So "either in article text or in a footnote" assumes there is a single date in the brackets/ infobox? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't interpret that as requiring there to be a single date. If you think that the proposed wording is reasonable, and as no-one else has raised any objections, I have changed the infobox date. I believe that as the uncertainty is spelt out in the article text in the section describing his disappearance and death that this meets the spirit of the guideline. PeaBrainC (talk) 10:42, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No objections. But two questions - should the infobox show a range, i.e. "24 February – 9 March 2019"? Should the first text sentence match the box i.e. a range within a range?) Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:11, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think I understand what you mean - use an ndash rather than "and" to express the range - that's probably better and fits with the guideline. I agree that the first line of the lead should match the infoox. I don't like the look of a range within a range, it feels unclear and ugly, so probably better expressed as born... died... which again fits the guideline. PeaBrainC (talk) 11:38, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it seems you do. Many thanks. All sounds fine to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:41, 15 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]