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GA Review

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Reviewer:Quadell (talk) 15:49, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator: User:ChrisTheDude

Rate Attribute Review Comment
1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct. No problems with the prose.
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation. The infobox, lead, persondata, categories, etc., are excellent. MoS followed.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline. Acceptable
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose). Citations are good.
2c. it contains no original research. No problem here.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic. Discussed below.
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style). No problems here.
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each. No problems here.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute. No problems here.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content. No problems.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions. Captions are great. Images are relevant.
7. Overall assessment. This is a Good Article. Congratulations!

Issues that should be dealt with

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These items need to be dealt with before this article can be certified as a "Good Article". (Some may only need to be answered or discussed.)

  • According to WP:LEAD, the lead section should summarize all sections of the article without introducing new information. The lead is too short, and should incorporate info from the "Early Life", "Departure from Barnsley", and "Later years" sections.
  • More categories would be appropriate, dealing with him being a clergyman, and perhaps founding a football team.
  • Are there any Barnsley-FC-related photos that could be included? Or photos of the places he lived and worked? Would this photo of him boxing (published 1905) be appropriate?
    • I hadn't spotted that picture. As it is over 100 years old, it is in the PD and therefore there is no justification for having a Fair Use image. I have therefore swapped it for the one in the infobox and added two other images too......... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:45, 29 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's really too bad we can't use the other photo, as I suspect it may be in the public domain. I wish we had more information about it.
  • If Preedy "reportedly encountered" someone, we need a cite to whoever reported that.
  • Does footnote #5 (Lupson, p.17) really cover every point in the paragraph it cites? Similarly, does footnote #4 (p.16) cover all three sentences it appears to cite? Does footnote #12 also cover the walking stick, pipe and tobacco pouch gifts?
  • There are a few dates/years missing. When did he join and leave the rugby club? When did he start Barnsley F.C.? When did he open a boxing club?
  • The external link contains useful information (sourced) not in this article.
    • Barnsley FC was called "The Saints".
    • They "played home games in the grounds of a local pub"
    • It gives info on the religious services for players
    • It tells what Preedy's salary was.
    • It gives information on his personality. "Although only 5 feet 5 inches tall, his stocky build and steely eyes gave him a formidable appearance and none of the neighbourhood toughs would dare raise a finger to him." "He had no hesitation in putting up his fists to ensure that the wage packet was not squandered on drink."
    • Preedy named the the Ashdown Club, "the premier wrestling club in the country at the time".
    • In all of the above, Hobbs does not cite a specific source for each statement, as we have to on Wikipedia. But he does list his sources at the bottom. This indicates that such information exists, and could (eventually) be added. My own searches indicate that all information available online (including Google Books and Amazon "Look Inside") have already been included. I'm sure Lupson has been used to the fullest. I think more off-line research would need to be done before this made Featured status, but I'm convinced that GA criterion 3a has been adequately fulfilled here.

Further suggestions

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These are places where I believe the article can be improved. But GA status is not dependent on them being dealt with.

This GA nomination has passed. Congratulations! – Quadell (talk) 20:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Second opinion

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Quadell has asked for my opinions on the prose, specific examples cited were:

  • "Preedy was engaged to assist the vicar" Nothing wrong with that - a concise description of what a curate does.
  • "Preedy was taken with the idea of" Nothing wrong with that, standard English phrase, not uniquely British.
  • "Terry Allen boxed at the club as a youngster" "youngster" is very common word. Possibly slightly informal, but not seriously so like kid, etc.
  • "Barnsley defeated West Bromwich Albion to lift the trophy" Standard football phrasing familiar to anyone, I would have thought.
  • "Preedy had become keen on the concept of" I see no issue here - standard phrasing.

I have read through the article and see no prose issues. Jezhotwells (talk) 16:28, 30 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]