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I have added a significant number of referenced to Tim Ely's self-published blog which gives biographical background. Hoping this begins to alleviate the problems with the page. Dsgarnett (talk) 18:17, 29 April 2019 (UTC) dsgarnett[reply]

I have been in discussions with MrOllie about this page and his concerns about my involvement. My work is on behalf of the Timothy Ely — the subject of this BLP. My goal is simply to get accurate depth onto the page — including if anyone would like to add additional opinions about Mr. Ely's work.

For clarity, I help him with his Blog as well — but this is not "for fee" work. We are old friends and I bring help to him in this kind of work. That said, I am not being paid either directly or indirectly for assisting him with his Wikipedia page. (My income sources are elsewhere.)

Please let me know if you have concerns.

Dsgarnett (talk) 00:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC)dsgarnett[reply]

I recommend adding the following as it uses independent sources which discuss Mr. Ely's work to help the Wikipedia reader understand his unique imagery:

The Books

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Ely took to book binding "because he wanted an efficient means of presenting his drawings, regarding the book as a 'looking-at' machine."[1] His first experience making a book was at age 12 in 1961.[2]

Yale art historian Johanna Drucker discusses Ely's work in her chapter titled "The Book as a Rare and/or Auratic Object" where she observes Ely's works “suggest a world in which the book is an artifact of wisdom,… secret and precious, available to the initiate rather than the casual or widespread reader” [3] Much of Ely’s work is annotated with his own glyphs he calls “cribriform.” [4][5] This has been described as a form of mystical text "a hybrid of scripts by ancient scribes, engravers and calligraphers, Chinese characters, ciphers, Egyptian heiroglyphics, cryptographs, codes and various secret writings." [6]

Johanna Drucker suggests the impact from these works “comes in part from the sense that one is holding an original manuscript in ones hands.” [7]

References

  1. ^ Fine Bookbinding in the Twentieth Century, pp 102, Roy Harley Lewis, Arco Publishing, Inc, 1984
  2. ^ Fine Bookbinding in the Twentieth Century, pp 102, Roy Harley Lewis, Arco Publishing, Inc, 1984
  3. ^ "The Century of Artists Books,", page 94, Johanna Drucker, Granary Books, 2004
  4. ^ gonzagau (2010-09-08), Tim Ely, retrieved 2016-02-29
  5. ^ Leutz, Pamela Train (2010). The Thread That Binds: Interviews with Private Practice Bookbinders. New Castle, DE: Oak Knoll Press. pp. 39–50. ISBN 978-1-58456-274-0.
  6. ^ "Catalogue 347 - Illustrated Books 1540-1993," Item 60, Ursus Rare Books, NY, NY, 2020
  7. ^ "The Century of Artists Books,", page 96, Johanna Drucker, Granary Books, 2004

Study and Training

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Dsgarnett (talk) 01:47, 21 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

COI and edit warring

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I've taken a look at this and as far as I can see we have an editor who has properly declared a COI and two editors who have reverted any changes. The proper process here is for the editor to request those edits on the talk page - as far as I can see the one requested is properly referenced and adds value to the article so unless there are issues with the material I propose to add it in. I'll also place a note on the editor's talk page to advise on the process if someone else hasn't already done so -----Snowded TALK 08:16, 23 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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I continue to await action on my recommended changes above and on which Dave Snowden has commented. As I do not know what to expect on talk pages, would appreciate hearing from anyone who can suggest how long these talk page discussions should take. Dsgarnett (talk) 00:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)dsgarnett[reply]

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