Talk:Timeline of the Jin–Song wars

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Treaty of Shaoxing established the Huai River as the boundary between the Jin Dynasty and Song Dynasty during the Jurchen campaigns against the Song?

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Why is this called Timeline of the Jurchen campaigns against the Song Dynasty when the Jurchen were a people existing prior and after the subject of this lists time but the Jin Dynasty was the real opponent to the Song? And as the timeline also covers Song operations against the Jin, why is it called Jurchen campaigns against Song? The correct name would be Timeline of conflicts between the Jin and Song Dynasties. --Bomzibar (talk) 13:13, 19 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Jin Dynasty was a political dynasty ruled by the Jurchens, so the Jurchens did not cease to exist when the dynasty was founded. Jurchen/Jin campaigns are equally correct, similar to using Ottoman/Turkish or Achaemenid/Persian. The Jin declared war against the Song and conquered all of northern China. There were Song counteroffensives, but this was largely a war initiated and won by the Jin. Conflicts between the Jin and Song Dynasties is less precise, like using Conflicts between the Mongols and the Chinese instead of Mongol invasion of China for the Mongol conquest of China.--Typing General (talk) 06:57, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How can a whole people (the Jurchen) rule a single clan (the Jin Dynasty)? Following this argumentation the name would have to be Timeline of the Jurchen campaigns against the Chinese or Timeline of the Jurchen campaigns against the Han-Chinese dominated Chinese because the Jurchen did not only fight the specific clan behind the Song Dynasty. --Bomzibar (talk) 09:22, 11 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I understand how it's inconsistent to use the name of the ethnic group for one combatant and the name of the dynasty for the other. Do you think Jin campaigns against Song would be better or Jurchen campaigns against China? Or Jurchen conquest of northern China, following the format of the Mongol conquest articles (Mongol conquest of the Song Dynasty)?--Typing General (talk) 11:32, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move

Timeline of the Jin campaigns against the Song Dynasty → Timeline of the Jin–Song Wars – Consistency with the Jin–Song Wars article. Vctrbarbieri (talk) 19:24, 7 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously shouldn't be a featured list

Did someone go through and mess it up? It's missing the major issue of Du Chong mucking up the course of the Yellow River for the next 600+ years, is missing the Song's time in Yangzhou, and nonsensically claims that they set up the Southern Song in "Nanjing" (with a link to Nanjing) when they moved to Lin'an (≈Hangzhou). — LlywelynII 22:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]