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This article is a cheap article for the GutShot Poker Club and both this article and the Gutshot Poker Club article should be deleted. If anyone knows how to flag them then do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.113.236.226 (talk) 23:00, 15 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Does this follow the NPOV policy: Tiffany is also one of the most horrendous poker players in the world, actually earning money in the Main Event of the WSOP in 2005. Evidence presented on ESPN thus far:

- (This report from CardPlayer Magazine): The day before the ESPN telecast begins, she gets all her chips in (almost 1m) with AQ against KK with the big blind at only 10k and she sucks out.

- She reraises Sean Sheikhan's raise to 100k with AA up to 250k with KhJh, Sean then goes allin for a ton more. Then she thinks FOREVER and folds by the clock, although she acted like she really wanted to call badly.

- Under the Gun raises with 77. She reraises in SECOND position with AJo and THE DEFENDING WSOP CHAMPION rereraises allin in THIRD position with KK. She calls and, thank God, Raymer wins.

- Sheikhan again makes a respectable raise with QQ and she reraises allin with A7o claiming tilt. She spikes an A on the flop and it holds up.

IMHO, the following quotes are not neutral: 1. "One of the most horrendous poker players in the world, actually earning money" 2. "...thank God, Raymer wins."

Also, this article is not written very well, in a somewhat juvenile tone.

None of the stuff added by 67.190.129.47 was, so I have deleted it. People regularly vandolise the Hellmuth, Moneymaker, Greenstein, Varkonyi and Raymer articles too, usually because they're jealous that they've achieved so much. Essexmutant 08:37, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately the flippant tone of the statements masks the solidity of the appraisal. She made some truly horrible plays. It really must be questioned if such a marginal figure should be in an encyclopedia. If it wasnt for her ethnicity and gender she wouldnt be in. Fluking your way to 15th place in a poker tournament , albeit the biggest in the world ,doesnt in my opinion merit an inclusion in wikipedia. 68.71.35.93 09:16, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's an AFD process. You're entitled to use it if you want. In the meantime it's worth noting that she did win her heat in the WSPO against some notable opposition and that any television broadcast will not necessarily show a balanced view of the player. Essexmutant 09:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Whether she is a horrible player or not is irrelevant to her entry in the encyclopedia. Terrible Presidents and Kings and inept sports figures get entries. "Noteable" is different than "good". The article reflects that she is noteable, and doesn't (and shouldn't) pass judgment on poker strategy. 2005 10:11, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Can you explain to me how coming 15th in a tournament makes one notable? ^{the previous unsigned comment was added by the IP address 68.71.35.93}

15th out of a field of 5,619 entrants would usually be defined as notabled. Winning more in this event's history than any other female player is notable. Essexmutant 20:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heated Discussions

I'd like to see some evidence of these so called "heated discussions" as far as i can make out her play has been universally panned.68.71.35.93 00:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]