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A fact from Threepence (New Zealand coin) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 8 February 2024 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the patu clubs on the New Zealand threepence were compared to bottles of ginger beer?

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The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 17:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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... that the patu clubs on the New Zealand threepence (pictured) were compared to bottles of ginger beer? Source: Hargreaves, R. P. (1972). 'From Beads to Banknotes', pg. 147. "New Zealand's Maori heritage was less known and appreciated in the early 1930s than the present, and as a result the crossed patus on the threepence were likened by many to ginger beer bottles."
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Created by Generalissima (talk). Self-nominated at 07:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Threepence (New Zealand coin); consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

New Zealand threepence

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Moved to mainspace, 7939 prose characters, hook seems interesting enough to me. Assuming good faith on the offline source. My only comment is that we might want to link ginger beer in the hook. Also, if the promoter wants an image, I approve File:1933 Threepence, New Zealand, Reverse.png; it's relevant, high-quality, used in the article, and freely licensed. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 18:48, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea, I support the inclusion of that image on the hook! Thank you for reviewing. Generalissima (talk) 19:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Generalissima and Bsoyka: How is the uploader able to offer the scan under a creative commons license? It seems New Zealand's government retains the copyright. Their terms of use are likely incompatible with both the listed license and the commons' overall policies on freely licensed media.[1] Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 00:02, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Rjjiii: For the dollar coinage yes. But this predates the NZD and even the Reserve Bank of New Zealand. Generalissima (talk) 00:22, 31 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

Passed. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 06:30, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Threepence (New Zealand coin)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Sammi Brie (talk · contribs) 19:58, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Copy changes and one minor housekeeping item on one image and you will have another GA. Ping me when done. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 05:50, 18 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know? If you fancy doing so, I always have plenty of GA nominees to review. Just look for the all-uppercase titles in the Television section. Reviews always appreciated.

@Sammi Brie: Made the copyedits and fixed the licensing error, thank you very much! Generalissima (talk) (it/she)

Copy changes

Equal to three pence, the coin was the smallest in size of all New Zealand pound coinage, and the smallest in denomination No need for this comma (WP:CINS)
The British pound sterling was confirmed as the sole legal tender in 1858, but had in effect been the sole circulating currency since 1847. Remove comma (CINS)
The Coinage Act 1933, outlined the weights and sizes of the six denominations of New Zealand silver coinage
- Does the title of the act contain "The"? It's linked.
- Remove comma
Although domestic firms offered to produce the coinage, the New Zealand government deemed that domestic facilities were not sufficient for mass production, and contracted with the Royal Mint for minting Remove second comma (CINS)
this designs as typo
Coates initially protested the modification, but conceded after Kruger Gray argued that a single mere would create a design that was lopsided and difficult to strike Remove comma or add "he" after "but".
he based the clubs off of two antique patu; one from the Ngāti Tūmatakōkiri colon, not semicolon
mid-March, 1934 Remove comma
Defending the coins, ethnologist Johannes Andersen described the patu design as unfairly criticised by ignorant New Zealanders, Remove comma at end (CinS)
as well as prooflike set produced missing "a"

Sourcing and spot checks

The most-used source is Hargreaves, and it's an offline source. I can spotcheck some other items:

7 (Stocker 2005 pp145–146): This contains the Southern Rhodesian obverse details, information on Metcalfe and Kruger Gray, and an explanation that this was going to be designed in the UK no matter the local remonstrations. Y
10 (Royal Mint Museum): In the case of the letters s and d it is generally agreed that these stand for the Latin words solidus and denarius, originally Roman. The first use of these abbreviations to indicate shillings and pence given in the Oxford English Dictionary is dated 1387. Y
12 (Stocker 2011): Adoption of the hei-tiki motif in 1940 after it was rejected as too "fetal" by Sutherland in 1933. Y
18: Andersen mentions the ginger beer bottle shape and the upside-down orientation, suggesting future correction. Y

Images

There are three images. Two are the sides of the coin, CC-licensed, from Museums Victoria. The Maori chief image does need a US public domain tag on it as well, but it should be PD there.

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