Talk:Thomas Lupo the elder

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I've reviewed this article as part of the Composers project review of its B-class articles. The article is B-class, but it could use a few things; read my detailed review on the comments page. Leave comments here or on my talk page. Magic♪piano 14:13, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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==Composers Project Assessment of Thomas Lupo the elder: 2008-11-25==

This is an assessment of article Thomas Lupo the elder by a member of the Composers project, according to its assessment criteria. This review was done by Magicpiano.

If an article is well-cited, the reviewer is assuming that the article reflects reasonably current scholarship, and deficiencies in the historical record that are documented in a particular area will be appropriately scored. If insufficient inline citations are present, the reviewer will assume that deficiencies in that area may be cured, and that area may be scored down.

Adherence to overall Wikipedia standards (WP:MOS, WP:WIAGA, WP:WIAFA) are the reviewer's opinion, and are not a substitute for the Wikipedia's processes for awarding Good Article or Featured Article status.

===Origins/family background/studies=== Does the article reflect what is known about the composer's background and childhood? If s/he received musical training as a child, who from, is the experience and nature of the early teachers' influences described?

OK

===Early career=== Does the article indicate when s/he started composing, discuss early style, success/failure? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

OK

===Mature career=== Does the article discuss his/her adult life and composition history? Are other pedagogic and personal influences from this time on his/her music discussed?

OK

===List(s) of works=== Are lists of the composer's works in WP, linked from this article? If there are special catalogs (e.g. Köchel for Mozart, Hoboken for Haydn), are they used? If the composer has written more than 20-30 works, any exhaustive listing should be placed in a separate article.

It is unclear that the works described are exhaustive of what is definitively attributed to him.

===Critical appreciation=== Does the article discuss his/her style, reception by critics and the public (both during his/her life, and over time)?

OK, but inquiring minds want to know how his importance is known, given sketchy source material.

===Illustrations and sound clips=== Does the article contain images of its subject, birthplace, gravesite or other memorials, important residences, manuscript pages, museums, etc? Does it contain samples of the composer's work (as composer and/or performer, if appropriate)? (Note that since many 20th-century works are copyrighted, it may not be possible to acquire more than brief fair use samples of those works, but efforts should be made to do so.) If an article is of high enough quality, do its images and media comply with image use policy and non-free content policy? (Adherence to these is needed for Good Article or Featured Article consideration, and is apparently a common reason for nominations being quick-failed.)

No sound or images. There should be an image.

===References, sources and bibliography=== Does the article contain a suitable number of references? Does it contain sufficient inline citations? (For an article to pass Good Article nomination, every paragraph possibly excepting those in the lead, and every direct quotation, should have at least one footnote.) If appropriate, does it include Further Reading or Bibliography beyond the cited references?

Grove is only reference; no inline cites.

===Structure and compliance with WP:MOS=== Does the article comply with Wikipedia style and layout guidelines, especially WP:MOS, WP:LEAD, WP:LAYOUT, and possibly WP:SIZE? (Article length is not generally significant, although Featured Articles Candidates may be questioned for excessive length.)

OK

===Things that may be necessary to pass a Good Article review===

Article requires more inline citations (WP:CITE), could use more references?
Article needs (more) images and/or other media (MOS:IMAGE)

===Summary=== This is a short article about an apparently poorly-documented figure. Considering he is alleged to be poorly documented, I find this statement particularly bold:

Lupo was one of the principal figures in the development of the viol consort repertory.

It may be true or obvious to the expert, but it borders on WP:PEACOCK, and should be better explained. The description of works appears to be incomplete (relative to what his known works are). The article lacks images and audio; an image from the appropriate court (Charles or Elizabeth) may be appropriate. In general, the article ought to be inline-cited.

Article is B-class. Magic♪piano 14:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Last edited at 14:11, 25 November 2008 (UTC). Substituted at 08:38, 30 April 2016 (UTC)