Talk:Thomas Brierley grave cipher

This article was nominated for deletion. Please review the prior discussions if you are considering re-nomination:

No consensus, 2 January 2020, see discussion.
no consensus, 7 October 2014 (UTC), see discussion.

A start

I put this up in a hurry. I will link references in good time and stick my photos up of the memorial. This is the best I could come up with from the available evidence (including GRO, newspaper articles, commentaries, books, archives etc - many of which are contradictory and some clearly wrong). Please add any refs you have on this article in the meanwhile. I will asure you though that the articles that describe him as having eight brothers - of various names including Abishai, Joab etc are incorrect. It was his father. His father, Joab/Job, had eight brothers: George (Hurst), Daniel, Jesse, Abishai, Asahel, Ittai/Hite, Didymus and Gideon (just in case some local experts wanted to know). Their father was John Brierley and he was known as the man with "nine sons".

Candy 12:21, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Refs

I put some refs up. Not certain the best way to do this as some of them conflict and some most likely have exaggerated parts. I could rewrite the article to be more scholarly ... According to X jada, jada, but according to Y, blah, blah, although Z agrees with X. However, it will quickly become unreadable. On the otherhand, this article is PoV becasue I have chosen what seems to be the most likely from the sources (generally favouring the earlier sources over the later ones). Any thoughts? Does anyone visit this page ? Candy 12:44, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting

A quite interesting article, however, it seems to be a bit subjective... I am just interested, where did you learn about this man?

Endedneeds06 (talk) 22:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From a link from both the Mellor wiki pages (I was born in Manchester) and from Simon Singh's homepage (I had read his work on Ciphers). The gravestone is well known in the region and is a tourist spot. --Candy (talk) 17:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to "Thomas Brierley grave cipher". (non-admin closure) Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:29, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Brierley → ? – At Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Brierley (2nd nomination), multiple editors have opined that this article should be renamed and reworked to shift the focus from the person to his grave stone or its cipher. Where should this article be moved to? feminist (talk) 06:43, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Boleyn, MilborneOne, Wm335td, Username Needed, and Peterkingiron: Pinging editors involved at the AfD discussion. feminist (talk) 06:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename Brierley himself is non-notable, but his gravestone has at least a claim to notability. Thomas Brierley Grave Cipher was suggested as a title and seems appropriate. Boleyn (talk) 06:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Thomas Brierley Grave Cipher as suggested by Boleyn. MilborneOne (talk) 09:38, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename as above Thomas Brierley Grave Cipher. Wm335td (talk) 20:15, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I assume that the above suggestions should be Thomas Brierley grave cipher? Dekimasuよ! 15:40, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rename with caps/lower case as per User:Dekimasu. I was happy with "cipher" until I thought about it too much and went word-blind - can I just double-check that the UK spelling is "cipher" (and not "cypher")? Ingratis (talk) 16:20, 31 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Just to note that User:Dl2000 considered moving the article following this consensus was for some reason vandalism. I have asked them why. MilborneOne (talk) 17:42, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Page is moved back to consensus result, concede it wasn't vandalism. Apologies for not tracking this move discussion. Hopefully the article is where it should be. Dl2000 (talk) 18:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Date of death

There is agreement between the letters of administration and the burial register that TB died in 1855. Unless the unnamed source for a supposed death in 1854 is forthcoming I think this is enough to state 1855 as the year of death. Ingratis (talk) 22:41, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]