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Doping and the lead

Wikipedia is not a fan page, it's an encyclopaedia. The current practice here is that doping is mentioned in the lead for athletes caught for doping. If anyone feels that Johaug is an exception, the onus is on them to make that case on talk and gain a consensus before removing it, not simply deleting it without any explanation. Jeppiz (talk) 12:35, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Current practice"? In some cases it is mentioned in the lead (example Johann Mühlegg), in others not (example Harri Kirvesniemi). In this case it is a current event under investigation, which has just been announced, and she has not yet been handed any punishment by the FIS, WADA, the Norwegian Ski Federation or any other applicable organisation. Hence, including it further down in the article is more than enough to meet an encyclopedia standard. --Marbe166 (talk) 15:52, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Would you kindly stop removing sourced content, thanks. Jeppiz (talk) 17:05, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The doping controversy, an ongoing investigation, is still mentioned on the page, so the content is not removed. --Marbe166 (talk) 18:43, 13 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I support that. No lede mention for now. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 11:23, 14 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lede mention for now. She has tested positive for doping in a WADA test. The ongoing investigation is about who else can be blamed, apart from the skier herself. 176.11.204.93 (talk) 00:15, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

If that is so and can be reliably sourced, I reverse my position. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 08:30, 17 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

When lede mentions positive doping test, we must also per BLP include her charge that she is innocent immediately after the accusaations. We need to fairly present both sides of the story. There is no verdict yet. Iselilja (talk) 19:22, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Doubts about the MD being the purchaser of the doping substance

Here is one link [1] that questions the story about the physician being the one who bought the doping substance. 176.11.59.73 (talk) 18:55, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any references that say that there exists documentation of the doctor seeking reimbursement for allegedly being the one who purchased the medication: Transactions with debet card or credit card? Receipts for payment of medication by cash? Follow the money! 176.11.125.35 (talk) 11:04, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Has the possibility been ruled out that first Johaug could have purchased the "clostabol cream" out of good faith (or whatever), and somehow suspected that there might be a problem, and thereafter motivated the doctor to go out and buy the same cream to hopefully help her situation? Has that scenario or "consipiration theory" been suggested? 176.11.171.196 (talk) 07:58, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality of doping section

I added a neutrality tag to the section, as I found it to have a bias against Johaug's claims. This is especially true for the reactions sections, as they just include very critical voices, and not those who are sympathetic to her claim that this was an innocent mistake, for which she is little to blame. I clarified a little about the asthma claim. Iselilja (talk) 19:44, 19 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Exit of sponsors

Are there any references about any of her sponsors jumping ship? 176.11.191.3 (talk) 05:17, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ointment? The clostebol-medication and the Italian word crema

The packaging of the medication Trofodermin calls it in Italian, crema [2]. Is the medication an ointment? 176.11.187.226 (talk) 13:23, 20 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

This article has a picture [3] showing a white [gel or] cream extending from an open "tube" or "toothpaste style container". 176.11.187.226 (talk) 19:36, 22 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Shotgun wedding press conference

Are there any references that Johaug will be holding a press conference after 22 October, and that the notification regarding the press conference will be held so short before the press conference that close to none foreign journalists will have enough time to travel to Norway? 176.11.199.98 (talk) 05:33, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Testing for clostebol while she is suspended

Are there references to her being tested for clostebol or other medication on WADA's doping list, while she is suspended? During the time of suspension, is she restricted from using Trofodermin on other parts of her body? 176.11.216.193 (talk) 18:35, 23 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"London-style doubledecker, second floor" medication lounge

Four days ago news broke about "the truck" (smørebussen - "the ski-waxing bus") - see picture [4] - with a second floor, where my compatriots have been receiving asthma medication before competitions, and sometimes even between heats. (Not sure if the doping conviction from July - not Johaug - was a result from activities on "the second floor".) Has she been medicated there? Does it make a difference if other team perhaps have to walk farther to get to their team's lounge, or "medication lounge"? 176.11.171.196 (talk) 02:41, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also called smøretraileren (-truck). 176.11.171.196 (talk) 05:26, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Appearence of rehearsed testimony and/or out of line work order for media specialist

There are references that claim that the testimonials of Johaug and the doctor, seemed rehearsed. But are there references that say that the ski federation, NSF, paid experts (or a public relation company) for advice media related matters (or whatever)? If so, do any references say that it is wrong for the ski federation NSF, to pay for something like that, given that the skier and the doctor are under pressure because they are suspected of having done something that goes against the bylaws and interests of the ski federation? 176.11.171.196 (talk) 07:51, 24 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No comment about salary/compensation related to period of suspension

"The Norwegian Ski Federation does not wish to comment about if they are going to pay salary or compensation to Johaug, like they decided to do for Martin Johnsrud Sundby" [5]. Should the article say something? 176.11.143.69 (talk) 20:38, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Why removed: Swedish champ feels that Johaug bought the doping cream herself

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On 24 October media quoted Toini Gustafsson Rönnlund, former Swedish champion: "I have a feeling [about the much talked about medication for Johaug's lip,] that she bought it herself", but that is only her own opinion.^[1] 176.11.143.69 (talk) 21:09, 25 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

^ http://www.vg.no/sport/langrenn/langrenn/svensk-ski-legende-til-svt-faar-en-foelelse-av-at-therese-kjoepte-salven-selv/a/23829057/

176.11.35.142 (talk) 21:49, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Skiing Association's current attempt at limiting the members' freedom of speech

The Ski Association's in email: - Totally necessary (or decisive, in regard to the outcome) that no one comments on the Johaug case. NIF has asked their stewards and employees thruout Norway, about not commenting on the Johaug case to the press or on social media. Are there any references that say why the stewards are being told that they their freedom of speech should be limited beyond what the law says? 176.11.104.137 (talk) 17:56, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Johaug hiring experts with close ties to the national sports authorities, while she is temporarily banned from organized ski activities

Finnish journalist about Johaug's team: - Could never have happened in Finland • Holopainen: – About time that Norwegian sports federation (NIF) intervenes. The news article tells about how Johaug now has psychologist Britt Tajet Foxell as part of Johaug's team - while the psychologist is connected to Norway's national team thru Olympiatoppen. National sports authorities are allowing that for now, claiming that sports authorities are allowed to help Johaug maintain her health. Swedish sports journalist Kristoffer Bergström, says that "It is obvious that Norwegian cross-country skiing is 'hanging around the abyss'. Those who are accountable don't want to break any rules, but gladly proceed so that the toes are dangling over the edge of the cliff. The psychologist of Olympiatoppen? A medical doctor that helped the country's activities during the Olympics in Rio? A coach with close ties to the national team? Yeah, yeah, yeah". The journalist says that the Norwegian interpration of the rules, are "annoying for a hell of a lot of" those not involved, and it's a sign of arrogance. Bergström says that "I promise you that there are thousands of Swedes - maybe not that many Norwegians - who see this as a sign of" the arrogance of Norwegian cross-country skiing.

Does the news article say anything else important? 176.11.105.223 (talk) 10:13, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

14 month ban (as of November) - source in English

Johaug suspended for 14 months 176.11.25.200 (talk) 19:52, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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