Talk:World State in Brave New World

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no, this is something that should be seperate for easy refrence, this was exactly what i was looking for and needs its own heading

exactly, keep it as is, if it's moved people may not realize there's a sepperate page dedicated solely to that one part

Merge complete

The merge really only involved removing some redundant information from Brave New World and adding a "main article" link from the approrpiate section in that article to this article. I've done this along with some other work that I've done on that article to try to reduce its overall size to something more readable, while retaining all of the information and adding appropriate "main article" links. -Harmil 15:51, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Move to The World State (Brave New World)

The world state is an old concept with serious supporters. Various writers have imagined various World States, good or bad or mixed. Wells was not the first and the idea was parodied in E. M. Forster's The Machine Stops in 1909.

What I'd like to do is move this page to The World State (Brave New World). This page could become a disambiguation page which would point to World government in science fiction and the existing page for World government. Also to Huxley and anything else people see worthy of special selection.

Above apparently by user:GwydionM, 3.5 years ago. The edits I've made indicate how off some of the material is from the primary source text. As far as movement of the article, doubtless there's a changed situation since the start of this thread. It's probably too big to go in Brave new world. It and Nations of Nineteen Eighty-Four might be combined though as the most influential of the literary dystopias. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 12:29, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move request

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 11:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The World State → World state in Brave New World – I read the book recently and couldn't find a reference to where it's called "The World State". The name, which appears to be a proper noun, seems to be a self-invention. AFAIR, the world state in this book isn't referred to by a certain name, thus we should avoid any proper nouns and call it was it is, i.e. the "world state in Brave New World". --The Evil IP address (talk) 17:59, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Suppport. Well researched and well put by nom. Andrewa (talk) 19:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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A candidate for deletion?

In evaluating the current RM for this article, it seems to me that deletion, not renaming is a better course of action. (That's a difficult thing to say based on my inclusionist background). The World State is merely the plot setting for notable novel Brave New World. As the article is unsourced, other than a link to an online version of Brave New World, it currently provides no evidence that indeed The World State is notable in its own right, notability that can be supported with sources independent of sources discussing the novel. Essentially everything the article says is currently unverified. Changing the name won't make it so. Interestingly, a great many of the articles in the Category:Fictional governments suffer from the same problem. I freely admit that I am not conversant with the whims of coverage of fictional elements in WP articles, but it would seem to me that an article on the plot setting of a fictional work should be subjected to the same notability burden as other articles, ie. significant coverage by at least two RS independent of the subject. In this case, that would require that someone had discussed The World State independently in an RS and not merely as an element of the Brave New World. If that is not the norm, then it would seem to me that any element of a piece of notable fiction could have its own article and that element wouldn't need to be independently notable by our current standards. It's almost a case of WP:NOTINHERITED being selectively ignored. Does anyone else think this article should be deleted based on my rationale above? --Mike Cline (talk) 14:21, 3 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I also recommend a major review is done of the "Fictional Governments" pages here in Wikipedia.--MarshalN20 | ^Talk 00:32, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Then nominate it at articles for deletion (link: WP:AFD), and you will have your debate, Mike Cline. Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 10:45, 19 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]