Talk:The World's 25 Most Endangered Primates

List creation info

I have created the lists from the IUCN list publication, and over the next few days I will be adding introductory text and making minor corrections. I plan to take it to both DYK and FLC in the near future. Please link to this list from the primate species on the current list, if you have time to help it gain visibility. – VisionHolder « talk » 06:21, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Comments

• What does "≥100–160" mean? More than between 100 and 160?

  It's short-hand for "no more than 100–160". Can you think of a better way, or just use the longer version (used in the source)? – VisionHolder « talk » 19:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

  Then you've used the wrong symbol; it should be ≤. But I think just giving it in words may be clearer. Ucucha 19:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

  Fixed, though maybe double-check me to make sure. – VisionHolder « talk » 06:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

• What is parasitosis?

  I assume parasitism. It's from the source—part of an entire column I plan to fully revise. – VisionHolder « talk » 19:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

  This has been addressed, along with the rest of the "Threats" column clean-up. – VisionHolder « talk » 06:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

• "Red Slender Loris (Loris tardigradus nycticeboides)"—it seems that Red SL is actually the species L. tardigradus; subspecies nycticeboides is the Horton Plains SL that was recently photographed.

  There are a lot of issues with the taxonomy outside of the lemurs. In some cases, MSW3 (considered our "taxonomic authority") assigns a species to one genus, while the IUCN red list puts it in another (as a subspecies), and "The World's 25 Most Endangered Primates" lists it as a full species. Consequently, I'm not sure what common and scientific names to use. Are they referring to the species as a whole (including all subspecies)? For now, I'm just going by the scientific name that they use. I'm open for suggestions. – VisionHolder « talk » 19:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

  As if there are no issues with the taxonomy inside the lemurs! If they use the subspecies name, I think it should be clear they're referring to the subspecies, not the species as a whole, so you shouldn't put in a link that leads to the species article. Ucucha 19:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

  If there are still specific problems with this, let me know. Otherwise I think I have fixed all of them. But believe it or not, lemur taxonomy isn't really that bad from a Wiki editor's perspective. At least there are frequent publications with revised (low-level) taxonomy. The other primates don't have a central authority, other than MSW3 from 2005, and even the IUCN is inconsistent with their latest publications. – VisionHolder « talk » 06:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

• It would be nice to make the "Previous years" table align the species, so that the changes from year to year become clearer. Also, it seems you have retroactively updated taxonomy for some but not all taxa.

  That's what the source does in one of its tables. I could do that, but it creates a lot of blank space and was very confusing to create. I'm sure as the years go by, the blank space will continue to grow as species are taken on and off the list. As for retroactively updating the taxonomy, I plan to make it more consistent. Do you recommend adjusting them, or leaving them as is? – VisionHolder « talk » 19:46, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

  True enough; there are good arguments either way. I do think you should adjust the taxonomy; it will confuse readers when they see different names for the same species. Ucucha 19:55, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

  Per the suggestion below (and since the table will only grow), I have swapped columns and rows. For tracking list membership, that's what the "Years listed" columns are for in the other tables. – VisionHolder « talk » 06:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Ucucha 19:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the review. At this point, I feel pretty comfortable submitting it as a FLC. I hope you agree. if you see any other obvious problems, just let me know and I'll try to fix them ASAP. – VisionHolder « talk » 06:02, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

• Serious question –

If the estimated population of a species is "unknown", how do we know it is endangered? What constitutes "endangered"? 77.100.152.137 (talk) 20:21, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

A suggestion

If you can switch rows and columns of historical membership table, you might be able to eliminate horizontal scrolling. Cheers--Chanaka L (talk) 01:31, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Good idea. I will add it to my short list of things to do over the next few days. – VisionHolder « talk » 04:28, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again for the idea. The table has been changed. – VisionHolder « talk » 05:56, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

2012–2014 list

The new 2012–2014 list has been released. I am in the process of moving for a new job, but once I'm settled, I will update the article. – Maky ^« talk » 14:58, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

It's taken me a while, but the list has been updated. I never saw the 2010–2012 list, and can't find it in web searches either. I have asked Anthony Rylands at Conservation International for help on this matter. – Maky ^« talk » 18:17, 21 March 2013 (UTC)

Older lists can be found here: http://www.primate-sg.org/special_reports/

2014-2016 list

The new 2014-2016 list has been released and a Vietnam News article is here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fayrfayr (talk • contribs) 06:52, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

2016-2018 list

The 2016–2018 list was published in December 2017. It looks like there have been a lot of changes, e.g. most of the Madagascar species on the list have changed.   Jts1882 | talk  18:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

• Africa
  • Mountain galago (Paragalago orinus) [new]
  • Roloway monkey (Cercopithecus diana roloway) [current, different scientific name]
  • White-thighed colobus (Colobus vellerosus) [new]
  • Niger Delta red colobus (Piliocolobus epieni) [new]
  • Grauer’s gorilla (Gorilla beringei graueri) [current]

Madagascar [all new]]

• Gerp’s mouse lemur (Microcebus gerpi)
• Lac Alaotra gentle lemur (Hapalemur alaotrensis)
• Ring-tailed lemur (Lemur catta)
• James’ sportive lemur (Lepilemur jamesorum)
• Perrier’s sifaka (Propithecus perrieri)
• Aye-aye (Daubentonia madagascariensis)

• Asia
  • Javan slow loris (Nycticebus javanicus) [current]
  • Pig-tailed snub-nosed langur (Simias concolor) [current]
  • Gee’s golden langur (Trachypithecus geei) [new]
  • Golden-headed langur or Cat Ba langur (Trachypithecus poliocephalus poliocephalus) [current]
  • Tonkin snub-nosed monkey (Rhinopithecus avunculus) [current]
  • Crested macaque (Macaca nigra) [new]
  • Western purple-faced langur (Semnopithecus vetulus) [current, now listed as species]
  • Hainan gibbon (Nomascus hainanus) [new]
  • Bornean orangutan (Pongo pygmaeus) [new]
• Neotropics
  • Caqueta titi monkey (Plecturocebus caquetensis) [new]
  • Brown-headed spider monkey (Ateles fusciceps) [current, now listed asspecies]
  • Ka’apor capuchin (Cebus kaapori) [current]
  • Geoffroy’s spider monkey (Ateles geoffroyi) [new]
  • Northern brown howler (Alouatta guariba guariba) [current]

Not sure how this remains a featured list when it hasn't been updated. I haven't time to update the list and modify all the tables now, but I've added the updated list here.   Jts1882 | talk  09:28, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

This needs to be updated

So, why hasn't this article actually been updated for '19-'21? Are the lists not actually available to the public, or have they really not changed? It doesn't look like this has been updated since 2018(?), at least as far as the actual lists go. Vdbhi (talk) 18:40, 7 January 2022 (UTC)vdbhi