Talk:The Stone Roses/Archive 2

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Archive 2

Slash

I'm reading an Uncut article where Ian Brown says Slash of Guns 'N Roses offered his services after John Squire left, but they turned him down. Does anyone feel this is worth including? WesleyDodds (talk) 10:19, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Is it likely to be true? It's a claim by Brown at best - I don't think we can include it as a statement of fact unless independent sources confirm it.--Michig (talk) 10:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I've got John Robb's Roses biography on order by the way, which should provide a wealth of material for improving the article.--Michig (talk) 10:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

John Robb's bio doesn't make any mention of Slash. It mentions that Bernard Butler and the guitarist from Girlschool were put forward as possible replacements (doesn't say by whom), but that's it. They knew Aziz Ibrahim from school, so perhaps they didn't cast their net too wide when looking to replace Squire. --Michig (talk) 16:27, 21 February 2009(UTC)

members.

Look why are the group still down as current members? They broke up 13 years ago. And why is Ibrahim in the former box, when he took over from Squire who is in the current box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rorylyng (talk • contribs) 21:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

They should all be in the former members section. Is this another one of those "classic line-up" arguments, I wonder?--Michig (talk) 07:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. So why is their a member section? Not trying to start a huge fight! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rorylyng (talk • contribs) 20:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

songwriting

Did mani or reni ever get credited on any song except daybreak? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.95.232 (talk) 19:13, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Squires backing vocals.

How many songs did squire sing backing to? was it 3? i think it was just she bangs the drum, tightrope and sally cinnamon, but i would like to be sure! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.200.203 (talk) 16:35, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Influence

I think it should be noted that they were a massive influence on Oasis? 81.96.254.143 (talk) 20:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

I am surprised that they were not influenced by Simon and Garfunkel or has that just been missed?

Members

I'm getting sick of former members being removed. They're all sourced, so what's the problem here? If there's a reason for removing them, let us know, otherwise it will be treated as vandalism.--Michig (talk) 21:48, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

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'alternative rock band'

from the squire article: "I have no desire whatsoever to desecrate the grave of seminal Manchester pop group The Stone Roses." - john squire —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.171.177.100 (talk) 10:17, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

To my mind, all that tells us is that Squire is less fussy about the band's genre than some Wikipedians! Longwayround (talk) 19:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Alternative Rock is just not a NPOV. Its an opinion.

I would put 'pop group' and quote Squire but Rock Music is more universal. However any more changes and will have to report edit war about POV Davdevalle (talk) 13:35, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

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Reformation

I'm very surprised to see lots of edits in the last few days about the reformation, with a few reverts, but with no discussion – hence I've started one here.

I've reverted one edit that changed tenses to say that "The Stone Roses are...". Until the press conference there is not one reliable source I'm aware of that we can use. The Sun ran a story stating that one of Ian Brown's mates, Dynamo (no, I've not heard of him either) says the reunion is on. This isn't good enough; we can (of course) say that Dynamo has said this and that the Sun reported it, but we should not take this as the truth. After all, there's no rush – the press conference is in a few hours and we'll have more info then. matt (talk) 07:27, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

The Parr Hall concert needs edited/reconciled/confirmed. I was one of the '1000' (there were way more) and you could bring any memorabilia to prove your fandom. The band members were arbiters. They wanted, and it was, a 'flash flood' gig.Announced on FB at 9am, sold out before 1pm Brilliant 80.7.164.233 (talk) 23:29, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

"The Stone Roses are an English ALTERNATIVE rock band"

Not simply a rock band. If there's only one listed in the infobox, what's the point of listing it as just a plain rock band? There is no "general" (or "universal", as I see your use of it) descriptor for every group. There's nothing that says everything should be a rock group. If a group falls under a bunch of genres that all closely trace back to alternative rock (which seems the case here), OR have more sources for one genre given than the other (provided they haven't changed to something disparately different and have cut ties with the past style for the long-term), why can't we label Stone Roses alternative rock in the lead? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 19:00, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Probably because alternative rock is a subgenre of rock music and that is what the Stone Roses play. Rock music. Jangle pop is another genre of rock the Stone Roses are associated with. Are they a jangle pop group? You're right that there is no guideline that says a rock band should be described as just a "rock band". The Beatles went through a psychedelic rock phase in their career so should they be identified as a "psychedelic rock" band? Then you will have genre warriors fighting about which genre a rock band should be. It's all subjective, really. "Rock band" is honestly the best descriptor for any bands that play rock music, regardless of its subgenres. TheOnlyOne12 (talk) 19:00, 11 July 2016 (UTC)

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Jordan McNee

"Former members" says that Jordan McNee played Bongos in 1989. But the timeline shows 10 years. The data for the timeline: from:19/06/1989 till:19/06/1998 seems suspicious. What's correct? --David Edgar (talk) 12:20, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Where's the proof that Jordan McNee was even a member? Other than Wikipedia and sites reusing the content he doesn't show up on Google, nor is he mentioned in the main text of this article. I'm calling for a citation on this one. --kingboyk (talk) 13:22, 7 November 2018 (UTC)

Near-Total Lack of U.S. Popularity Compared to Massive UK Popularity

Article ignores this phenomenon. Some mention should be made, if not possible explanations. Utter lack of context. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8280:58F0:3D9A:6240:4CF6:6837 (talk) 11:43, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Better picture

Can someone upload a better picture from the band’s reunion tour? You can barely see them in the one ghat’s there. Esszet (talk) 18:55, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorting out last month's vandalism

This edit putting a shed-load of vandalism (which anyone who's been following music since the early 80s would spot, but maybe kids won't) wasn't reverted properly, consequently the article has claimed, for about three weeks, that Ian Brown was originally the triangle player. I've rolled back to the version before, which has unfortunately clobbered some good faith improvements as well. If anyone can help tidy this up, that would be great. Ritchie333 ^(talk) ^(cont) 01:14, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

To prevent this from happening again, wouldn't it be best to set an indefinite pending changes protection? It's quite sad that an article about one of the most influential bands in Britain doesn't have enough watchers to spot the vandalism. enjoyer|talk 14:26, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Relationship with the Media

Considering the current events concerning photographers contract clauses, is it worth including a summary of the argument within this topic? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.29.96.83 (talk) 23:59, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

The anon is referring to this:[1]. It's like they're keeping in the media by upsetting people. --Aspro (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

This section of the article is terrible. It seems like 90% just an editors weak analysis of there promotional methods and contains almost no sources. I'm going to chop most of it. Ashmoo (talk) 09:32, 2 January 2024 (UTC)