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Should we be including the first two singles from the album in the infobox? They were released far before the album and weren't marketed specifically for the album. However, both ended up on the album. The current infobox implies that NIM is the first single and therefore the lead, which is misleading. (By the current rationale, we wouldn't include "drivers license" or "you should see me in a crown" on their respective album pages as neither were specifically for an album at the time of release.) For five more minutes...it's just a single vice20:25, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pinging User: Sock because it's been weeks with no reply and they are the one who (unilaterally) made those edits. I don't understand why PPC and California don't count as album singles - they are singles and they are on the album. Just because they weren't planned for an album doesn't mean they don't count. For five more minutes...it's just a single vice17:03, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies in advance for the novel. I believe the hidden note I left explains my basic rationale, so I'll copy that here for others to read: "Per Template:Infobox album#Template:Singles, this parameter is left empty for singles that were not part of the album's promotion, and these songs predate the album by more than 3 years and were not marketed as singles from the album." The specific verbiage from that section says only songs "that were released as singles during the marketing and promotion of the album" should be included.
Personally, I don't think this rationale supports your "Drivers License" and "You Should See Me In a Crown" comparisons. Those songs came out four months and eleven months before their respective albums, while "Pink Pony Club" was released three years and five months before Midwest Princess and "California" three years and one month before. A key element of my view is that those singles were released more than three years before the album and were not part of its promotion, while the two you listed weren't explicitly album singles but were included on an album within a year.
If the song was originally released as a single well in advance of the album, |album= should not be used, since it is not from the album, but later added to one. For example, "Beck's Bolero" and "Back on the Chain Gang" were released as singles about 16 months before they were added to albums and became well-known before the albums.
That language has been in place since at least 2017, and given that the examples used were released 20 months earlier than "California" in comparison to the album, it seems reasonable to me that "California" and "Pink Pony Club" shouldn't be considered singles from the album. Funny enough, I fuzzily remembered a conversation about this regarding Katy Perry and found a discussion about this exact issue on the talk page for her album Smile. It seems like the verbiage of these two template documentations has been causing disagreement for years, which makes me think this discussion might be better at WP:WPMUSIC to get some consistency. Sock(tock talk)18:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
