Talk:The Promise Ring

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Emo

There was no emo in 1995. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.124.52.226 (talk) 06:14, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Diary came out in 1994. --TimSPC (talk) 19:05, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And Rites of Spring formed in 1984. Awesomebriks (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:07, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2005 Reunion Shows

With the off-and-on trend of 'emo' bands from the 90's reuniting (see: Braid's reunion tour, Texas Is The Reason's reunion weekend in New York in December '06), perhaps there should be a mention of the two shows The Promise Ring reunited for in 2005? -- Anonymous —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.110.26.242 (talk) 05:02, 9 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Writer?

Who writes their songs? None of the album articles attribute an author. That would be a nice addition to the articles. Especially since people come here looking for the authors to attributing the songs when other bands record them. -Freekee 04:55, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Davey writes the lyrics. Jason said so in a video I found on the internet.

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GA Review

Passed. 123Writer ^talk 23:53, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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Reviewer: 1TWO3Writer (talk · contribs) 16:38, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Part of the August 2023 backlog. No quick fail criteria it seems.

References do contain cs1 maint issues that needed to be addressed, but do not break the references. Reference style is a little in-consistent and made spot-checking a little awkward:

1. Huey, Steve. "The Promise Ring Biography & History". AllMusic. Archived from the original on March 26, 2020. Retrieved June 26, 2020.

vs.

60. "The new Promise Ring video for 'Stop Playing Guitar' is now up!". Anti-. May 3, 2002. Archived from the original on June 3, 2002. Retrieved June 20, 2020.

Red shows where the archive hyperlink is. Choose either, but make it consistent.

Lead

All info is reliably backed and a relevant overview of the band's details/history.

History

Formation

Spot-check on references went well. No stylistic issues.

Early releases and 30° Everywhere

Spot-check good. Again no confusingly written parts. Hatnote appropriate.

Boys + Girls, Very Emergency and Electric Pink

Same as above. I would like an image if possible in this part from this period.

New record label, Wood/Water and disbandment

No issues. If an image for the above section isn't possible, try one for here or the next.

Related acts and reunions

Spot-check passed. All good.

Musical style

Last paragraph seems a bit too big. Could be broken down following each record or period?

Members

Good as well.

Hi 1TWO3Writer. I appreciate the feedback you have given me. However, I have searched for images, but the infobox picture of Davey is the best I could find. This band has not been active full-time in over 20 years. Aside from a picture of the band's spin-off Maritime, which I could potentially add around Related acts and reunions, the only thing that is currently available is this other shot of Davey I've provided to my right (from a terrible angle). Acquiring more free images would take considerable effort.

Also, the references are archived the way they are for a reason; it is not a choice of where it is linked in the sentence as much how the template works. If "Archived" is linked, it is simply linked as an available alternative should the original (working) link rot. If "the original" is linked, the original is already rotten, and is only linked to show posterity that the original is no longer accessible as it originally was, whereas the main link on the title will be an archived version.

I have added a paragraph break for that paragraph in Musical style. My monitor might just be big, but I thought that wasn't too enormous myself. I can see where you're coming from, though, and I hopes this helps with the concern. As for the cs1 issues, I'm not sure how to fix them. dannymusiceditor ^oops 22:55, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Danny,

Ah, I was unaware that the referencing did that for a reason. Apologies. As for the images, don't worry about it as your reasoning is sound - it's hard to find free images even of popular bands.

I'll fix the cs1 issues, might take a little while. After that, I'll accept the article! Good job, it's clear you put a lot of work into it. 123Writer ^talk 23:37, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just for future reference, basically you put "The Promise Ring" into the others parameter which also needs the author parameter. I just put the Promise Ring as the author and removed others. Templates are annoying sometimes :P 123Writer ^talk 23:49, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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