Talk:The Northern Club

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Hi Team,

This is an actual article - not an article about some new university sports/drinking association.

Please review google and or the growing list of reference material to confirm the role this Club plays in Auckland and New Zealand's Historical and Popular Culture.

Thanks.

Belro629

Thank you

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Thanks Fae, Hope you can take another look at the page The Northern Club (Auckland) and see that it is fit to be on Wikipedia. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Belro629 (talk • contribs)

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The following text in this article

"The Northern Club was founded by a group of prominent professional and business men in 1869 when the popularity of a gentleman's club was at its peak throughout the British Empire.

"The club's founders, with remarkable daring and foresight, agreed to purchase a handsome quarrystone building overlooking Albert Barracks in Princes Street.

"The four storey building, a high-rise in its own time, was originally designed as a hotel and built on the first section sold at Auckland's inaugural land sale in 1841. Following the purchase, architect Edward Ramsey was commissioned to rearrange the hotel's internal rooms for use by the 120 founding members.

"In 1991 the Club voted to admit women and today has a thriving membership of men and women. Membership of the Northern Club attracted many leaders of the Auckland community, and the Club has played an active and sometimes pivotal role in the history of New Zealand's largest city".

is a direct verbatim cut and paste from this, the Northern Club's website which clearly displays "© 2007 The Northern Club".

And the following is a verbatim cut and paste from the copyrighted Historic Places Trust Website.

"The Northern Club Building has a long history of association with the Auckland's social elite, having been built in 1867. It was constructed as the Royal Hotel, before becoming a gentlemen's club two years later. Originally designed by Edward Mahoney, the three-storeyed building was located in a prestigious part of the settlement, close to the former Government House and provincial council. It was erected in a fashionable Italianate style, the brick structure being rendered externally to appear masonry-built. As the Royal, it replaced a timber structure of the same name and gained a reputation as the grandest establishment in town. Early tenants included the provincial government, which rented rooms as offices, and the Auckland Institute and Museum, while part of the first floor was a British army officers' mess used by soldiers from the nearby Albert Barracks.

"The Northern Club purchased the building in 1869, the club having been formed earlier in the year. Gentlemen's clubs developed in nineteenth-century Britain, enabling social and business networks to be maintained. Early members of the club included the future Prime Minister, Julius Vogel (1835-1899), and prominent businessmen, such as Thomas Russell (1830-1904) and David Nathan (1816-1886). Governors of the colony were among those invited as guests, reinforcing the exclusivity of the organisation. The club refurbished the interior, and in the process reinforced social divisions through the building's layout. Service rooms for employees were located in the basement and members' reception rooms on the ground floor, while personal servants were not allowed in the upper chambers, although exceptions were made for governors. Expansion to the facilities generally occurred during periods of economic boom. A new dining room and fifteen bedrooms were constructed at the rear of the building in 1883-1884, and accommodation for residential staff was added in the 1920s. Exclusively male in its membership for over 120 years, facilities for women were introduced only gradually. The first female member was admitted in 1990, shortly after the earliest woman after-dinner speaker, the Minister of Finance Ruth Richardson, who addressed the club in 1989.

"The Northern Club Building is significant as the oldest surviving gentlemen's club in Auckland, and one of the city's oldest hotels. It has strong links to early colonial institutions, such as the provincial government and British army, as well as prominent individuals in New Zealand history. It is representative of important aspects of colonial society, such as all-male associations and business networks. It demonstrates the implanting and nurturing of traditions introduced from Britain, particularly among the social elite. The building's well-preserved interiors yield information about nineteenth- and twentieth-century life in New Zealand, from the use of decor to attitudes about gender and class. The building is particularly significant for its association with other early colonial structures in the area, such as the Albert Barracks Wall and former Government House. It is the earliest building in the historic Princes Street streetscape, with significant landmark qualities that include its distinctive cover of Virginia Creeper, planted in 1927."

Inconsistency about the year in which the club first admitted women members

The article says both "In 1991, the club voted to admit women", and "The first female member was admitted in 1990". Ross Finlayson (talk) 11:44, 11 June 2019 (UTC)

Could you clarify where you see that? I don't see it in the article. For a long time, the article has read "The first female member was admitted in 1990, shortly after the earliest woman after-dinner speaker, the Minister of Finance Ruth Richardson, who addressed the club in 1989." Akld guy (talk) 03:24, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Both sentences - "In 1991, the club voted to admit women" and "The first female member was admitted in 1990" - are in the article, and are easily found by searching for them. Ross Finlayson (talk) 03:41, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Got it...somehow I overlooked the 1991 sentence in a different part of the article. I don't see any problem. Perhaps a female attempted to join in 1990, was accepted as a member, and it then became necessary to put a vote to all members in a subsequent general meeting in 1991. Sometimes precedents occur before ratification. Akld guy (talk) 04:11, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

Well, maybe - but that seems like a bit of a stretch. It would be nice to get some clarification here... Ross Finlayson (talk) 04:36, 12 June 2019 (UTC)