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A fact from The Madness of King Scar appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 September 2017 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that "The Madness of King Scar" was recorded and storyboarded for The Lion King, but Disney removed it, probably due to its explicit content?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2017/September. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Madness of King Scar.

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In loveeeee with what you did with this article haha, you really used "A Change in Me" as a template, eh? I'm flattered. Just a few suggestions, for your consideration...

I think there's enough content here for you to create a "Background" section, separate from the Context/composition sectin, specifically Rice saying that the song was written to serve as mostly a "potboiler", Nala contributing vocals to only "Can You Feel" in the animated film, a version of "Madness" having been written and storyboarded for the film only to be cut from the final version, etc...but if you still find that the section looks a little sparse, you may have heard/read that a reprise of "Be Prepared" was intended for the animated film in which Scar makes similar advances on Nala, but was also cut due to it's mature content (there's information and reliable links about it on the Scar and Nala pages in their "Conception" section, written by yours truly aha). Although melodically different, they're essentially the same song plot-wise/thematically and could explain the origins of "Madness". This could help beef up the article a little bit.--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

That makes a lot of sense to me; I knew that the section could be split apart into two, but I just was hitting a wall and having difficulty with how best to do it. I have revised it, and I think it makes the article stronger. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, in my article "A Change in Me", the reason I didn't credit the song to any particular artist or album in the infobox is because an official English cast version of the song was never made to accompany the debut of the peace, IE Toni Braxton never recorded to song for any B&B soundtracks. However, in the case of "Madness", there was an official cast recording made right from the get go, so I think the article could benefit from you crediting Vickery, Headley and the others in the infobox, as well as the track length, producer, label, all of which can probably be found on iTunes/AllMusic...(think "Defying Gravity")--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense to me; I have revised the infobox. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lastly, I tend to avoid using the term "show tune" in the genre sections of infoboxes, simply because a show tune isn't really a genre, but rather a type or style of song, such as a ballad, if that makes sense. If no source has assigned the song an official genre (pop, R&B, dance), leaving the section blank doesn't detract from the quality of the article at all (Honor to Us All)--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

True as it is not really a genre at all. I have removed it. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Overall though, this is a stunning article and makes me very happy to read :-)--Changedforbetter (talk) 02:31, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your comments! Your feedback means a lot to me, and you have definitely helped to improve the article a great deal. I was very much inspired by your work on "A Change to Me", as it piqued my interest in Disney songs that only appear in the musical versions (and I think it is safe to say that this will not be appearing the upcoming live-action remake lol). I am glad you enjoyed the article, and I hope you have a wonderful rest of your day. Aoba47 (talk) 03:12, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

Beautiful work!! Here's some extra bits and bobs I came across:--Coin945 (talk) 03:35, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the compliment. Aoba47 (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[google translate] "It is a song censored which, according to the RTS portal, was removed from nothing less than one of the emblematic productions of Disney of all time: The Lion King , and that is far removed from the childish and charming world that the giant Of the proposed animation. This is how it looks on YouTube. This song is called 'The Madness of King Scar' and was removed from the final screenplay of the film nothing less than to contain many references to sexual harassment. Disney is also remembered for having some of the most disturbing villains. The video that already adds almost two million and a half of reproductions in YouTube was realized by the animator Eduardo Quintana in a work of two years like a tribute by the 20 anniversary of the film. The sequence begins with Scar gnawing a bone. Then go to Nala and take a disturbing attitude." [1]

Added to the article. Aoba47 (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[google translate] "While The Lion King is celebrating his 20th birthday, a fan has just realized an incredible tribute. Eduardo Quintana, remember this name well. This artist decided to pay his tribute to the film of Disney by realizing itself a cut sequence of the original montage. Indeed, the Madness of King Scar had been removed from the film and only reinstated in the musical that followed. But the scene had been storyboarded at the time, which greatly facilitated the achievement of this feat. Because yes, everything you see in a few seconds has been realized by only one person and the result impresses so much you think you are in front of the film. A tribute of this quality, one asks for more." [2]

Added to the article. Aoba47 (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Analysis at Animated Kid

Unfortunately, that is not an acceptable source as it is a blog and would not be deemed reliable enough for use on here. It is unfortunate as the blog does include more information on the lyrics, but I think it would be ruled as unreliable. Aoba47 (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Bits about the Hyenas ("rock-consuming junkies" "a fix of flesh" etc.), building on the themes presented in Chow Down. [3]

Added in the relevant parts about the hyenas' pleas to Scar. I do not believe the "rock-consuming junkies" part is necessary though. Aoba47 (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Four articles listed at highbeam (https://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22The+madness+of+king+scar%22). I will need to renew my Higbeam account before I can read them though..

Thank you for pointing me to this. I believe that I have all relevant information already included as I have looked at highbeam while crafting the article. Aoba47 (talk) 04:36, 23 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Lede section

Per Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lead_section: "The lead serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important contents." "most important", not "all". Beyond that, the lede discussion of the fan made film is about 40% the size of the stand-alone section. That's way too big. I have personal "No reverts, one and done on talk pages" rules, so I will accept any decisions made going forward. - Immigrant laborer (talk) 18:38, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Immigrant laborer: The information about the fan-made video is a large part in the "Reception and impact" section so it should be in the lead in some form. Since the fan-made video has receive a significant amount of attention, I would argue that it should be deemed as an "important" element of the article. You had removed the information completely with this edit summary "The fan made video already has its own section. It doesn't need to be in the lede as well". This edit summary does not follow the section of the manual of style that you have just cited above. I would have been more understanding if you had either copy-edited that part of the lead to reduce the size down or had written on the talk page about this. However, you choose to remove the part completely because you did not believe it belong in the lead at all. I have removed certain parts of that section in the lead to be more concise. I apologize that I sounded harsh in my original phrasing of this message. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, as I appreciate learning more about the lead section. I am absolutely garbage at writing leads and I will be better at responding to advice in the future. Aoba47 (talk) 18:55, 18 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]