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Arsenal officially adopted the nickname of "The Untouchables" for their 49-game unbeated run. This article should be about Preston only. SLUMGUM yap stalk 00:30, 15 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. I have altered the page accordingly. aLii 11:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually the Arsenal website refers to them as The Invincibles as well [1] [2]. I have rewritten the article to deal with both sides even-handedly. Qwghlm 16:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected. Well sniffed-out. sʟυмɢυм • т • c 23:38, 26 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we add how the unbeaten run was ended? ie. Rooney of Everton scoring the goal that ended Arsenal's run

No. Pro66 19:33, 22 December 2007

Add the players who was in the squad and the line-up that the teams who has been called "The Invincibles"!

Done. Hopefully I've done it correctly but I must say it does look pretty cool! Pereirab04 1409, 18 July 2011 —Preceding undated comment added 02:09, 18 July 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Good stuff. However the "GS" column is incorrect, I'm guessing the source you used includes cup games whereas it's quite clear that only league games are relevant in this context. No figures higher than "38" should be in the column.--Shakehandsman (talk) 03:08, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

OH! Thanks for pointing that out. I'll fix this now. Pereirab04 (talk) 01:51, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Might also be worth adding the manager? Also don't forget to cite your source.--Shakehandsman (talk) 15:47, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Special Olympiakos

Does this really belong here? Not to mention it's been added ina very scrappy way? I propose a revert to the article as of 3 March. The Yowser (talk) 15:47, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguation page

As I've stated in the edit summary, the page works better as a disambiguation. Arsenal already have a season page on this, why do they need another? Likewise, there is a 1888–89 Preston North End F.C. season article. By keeping this, you may aswell do the same with Fab Four (disambiguation). Lemonade51 (talk) 14:13, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Lemonade51 - it also seems this page is catnip for not-notable teams to add themselves and necessitate an edit, it has happened at least twice now. 80.189.139.39 (talk) 16:06, 9 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. This page should be a disambiguation. Bluegene18 (talk) 16:48, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I also would not object to this solution (to negate the argument below), of course as long as we take care to move the relevant info to the club season pages. Crowsus (talk) 20:05, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Edit conflict

I am in an edit dispute with User:Bluegene18 over the inclusion of Rangers 1898-99 in this article. They are probably unaware that there were previously several other lists of unbeaten teams listed here but they were removed and the scope of this article limited to Preston and Arsenal. I asked for a source to be provided for Rangers being known as the Invincibles at the time and they have quoted a newspaper which I cannot verify online. We are clearly not going to agree on this so I am requesting further community input. Crowsus (talk) 16:50, 21 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of issues. 1. I've never heard the phrase being used for the 1899 season team, even when Rangers went unbeaten in 2014 Rangers themselves made no reference to the 1899 events as being the "Invincibles". 2. In fact I can't find a single source in any of my books making reference to this season with any particular nickname. Now to be fair I don't have any books focused on Scotland, but they do generally and quite concisely cover every major season with sample news clippings. 3. Online sources are equally scarce and none make reference event tangentially. The BBC is bereft although they also fail to mention it in any way. Southern bias? Or just nothing significant to say? 4. I have never heard of the Scottish Sport. That isn't to say it didn't exist, but I haven't heard of it as a paper and can't find any reference to the paper itself anywhere. 5. I can also see that as a source it has never been used before for any other Rangers article (not least the season in question). BlueGene may have access to something or other that can verify the claim, but at this moment I can't help but have some misgivings. 6. If it is only one newspaper from 1899 and no other to make this claim, then that is not the significant weight of coverage to support the nickname becoming a true nickname. That might be a bias of WP:RECENTISM but it is also supported by the lack of contemporary references to the season or Rangers as "the Invincibles". Koncorde (talk) 19:44, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I have found a few references to the Scottish Sport, mostly as references for pre-1900 sports. Not sure what happened to it post 1900 as seems to go quiet. No online repository of the subject however, but still looking. Koncorde (talk) 19:58, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to consider adding a section to this article which applies to other teams known by this nickname. I would like to add a passage on the A.C. Milan side of 1991–92 under Fabio Capello who won the Serie A title undefeated, and who were known as "Gli Invincibile" (which is Italian for "The Invincibles).

The term "Invincibles" has also been used elsewhere in European football. Italian club Milan received the nickname "Gli invincibili" ("The invincibles," in Italian) after winning the 1991–92 Serie A title without losing a match under manager Fabio Capello (34 games), setting an Italian record unbeaten run of 58 Serie A games in total between 1991 and 1993.^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]

Best, Messirulez (talk) 21:14, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Longest unbeaten runs in European league football". UEFA.com. 4 February 2016. Retrieved 3 June 2017.
^ "Sacchi contro Capello ora parla il campo". La Repubblica (in Italian). 31 January 2001. Retrieved 26 April 2020.
^ Cruccu, Matteo (7 December 2015). "Fenomenologia dell'1-0: dal Milan di Capello, a Lulic 71, un risultato che non dispiace solo all'Inter". Il Corriere della Sera (in Italian). Retrieved 26 April 2020.
^ ""Scudetto Story": "Il Milan degli invincibili 1991/1992"". Mediaset (in Italian). 24 March 2013. Retrieved 26 April 2020.
^ Mirko, Graziano (13 May 2002). "Scudetto da imbattuta per una festa perfetta JUVE DAY DAY". La Gazzetta dello Sport (in Italain). Retrieved 26 April 2020.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link)
^ "Le maglie del Milan – Stagione 1993/94: gli Invincibili di Capello" (in Italian). Pianeta Milan. 15 April 2019. Retrieved 26 April 2020.

[longest_unbeaten_runs-1] "Longest unbeaten runs in European league football". UEFA.com. 4 February 2016. Retrieved 3 June 2017.

[2] "Sacchi contro Capello ora parla il campo". La Repubblica (in Italian). 31 January 2001. Retrieved 26 April 2020.

[3] Cruccu, Matteo (7 December 2015). "Fenomenologia dell'1-0: dal Milan di Capello, a Lulic 71, un risultato che non dispiace solo all'Inter". Il Corriere della Sera (in Italian). Retrieved 26 April 2020.

[4] ""Scudetto Story": "Il Milan degli invincibili 1991/1992"". Mediaset (in Italian). 24 March 2013. Retrieved 26 April 2020.

[5] Mirko, Graziano (13 May 2002). "Scudetto da imbattuta per una festa perfetta JUVE DAY DAY". La Gazzetta dello Sport (in Italain). Retrieved 26 April 2020.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: unrecognized language (link)

[6] "Le maglie del Milan – Stagione 1993/94: gli Invincibili di Capello" (in Italian). Pianeta Milan. 15 April 2019. Retrieved 26 April 2020.

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