Talk:The Good Doctor (American TV series)

Removal of notable guests

I move with a suggestion that the section Notable guests be removed as per WP:FANCRUFT. It adds no relevant information to the show and just lengthens the character section. Additionally, the word notable, as I see it, could be potentially violating WP:NPOV as it us who is determining who is notable to mention out of, hypothetically, 100+ guests. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 22:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm inclined to say yes, remove that section as there's not a lot of weight given to the characters, especially if they only appear for one or two episodes. Most of the actors listed in that section have their own article, though, so that's a possible counterargument as to why they should they on. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:01, 11 March 2022 (UTC)

I've just never seen this type of section stick on any other TV shows. If anything, they're only parenthesized in the episode summary. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 23:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

@Callmemirela They haven't been included in episode summaries. Of course they should be. If you want it removed from the main article, that's fine. But add them to episode summaries instead of suggesting that's what should be done. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 01:06, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

This section adds no weight to the article at the moment, so I have no idea why you've reverted my edit. There is no guideline that I am aware of that states I can't remove a subsection that fails WP:FANCRUFT until such guests are added in the episode summaries. Someone else is more than welcome to that. Additionally, this discussion has been open for two weeks now, and so far the only consensus there is is to remove it entirely so your claim "to give it a few days" is false. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 02:11, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Callmemirela There are a number of articles for series with guest sections. Mannix for instance has a list of guests. Yes, it's more common to put them in episode summaries, but some articles do. No saying this article needs one per se. Again, put them in the appropriate episode instead of saying "I don't want to." That's childish and lazy. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 03:09, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

You've just said it yourself that the article doesn't require it, so it refutes your argument. Additionally, I never said I didn't want to. I said it should be removed as per WP:FANCRUFT. That's the basis of my argument. You're going off on a tangent by calling me "childish" and "lazy". There is no policy or guideline that requires such edits you've mentioned. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 04:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I'll say remove it as the guest list is getting really long. Guest list are meant for notable guests such as credited as a special guest star, main cast member on TV series on ABC in the past or present, or non-actor/actress such an famous athlete or musician. — YoungForever^(talk) 01:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

If they have an article, they are generally notable to some extent. As you can clearly see, there aren't that number of people listed as you claim there will be. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 02:32, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Generally notable? Sure, but that's probably best left to episode lists and not on the main page on an article. Some of the actors added don't even have their own articles. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Tenryuu Again, saying what should be done is not going to do anything. I could say what should be done, but that doesn't mean it will happen. Add them there and be done with it. If not, the list will remain as is. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 08:22, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@Mr. C.C.: Right now there seems to be a general consensus from interested editors on this talk page to remove them. I can move them to another page for an interested editor to sort them out on their own time. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:40, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

There should be a List of The Good Doctor characters article in which editors can expand the list and character descriptions while the Cast and characters section on the main article would only contain the Main cast. — YoungForever^(talk) 17:46, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

"If not, the list will remain as is." You don't own the article. The consensus right now is to remove it. You haven't provided a single shred of policy or guideline that states it should remain when it clearly violates WP:FANCRUFT right now. Callmemirela 🍁 ^talk 17:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

I've removed the content, but I will preserve it here if someone wants to take it and distribute it to the relevant episode pages:

Excised content

===Notable guests===
* [[Eve Gordon]] as Nurse Fryday (season 1)<ref name="102Credits">{{Cite episode|title=Mount Rushmore|series=The Good Doctor|last=Shore|first=David|author-link=David Shore|network=[[American Broadcasting Company|ABC]]|date=October 6, 2017|time=42:49}}</ref> <!-- 102, 104 -->
* [[Eric Winter]] as Dr. Matt Coyle (season 1), a suave doctor who charms the hospital's staff, until he makes explicit advances towards Claire.<ref name="Winter">{{Cite web|url=https://deadline.com/2017/11/the-good-doctor-eric-winter-recur-abc-drama-series-1202205059/|title='The Good Doctor': Eric Winter Set To Recur On ABC Drama Series|last=Petski|first=Denise|date=November 9, 2017|website=[[Deadline Hollywood]]|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171109183430/http://deadline.com/2017/11/the-good-doctor-eric-winter-recur-abc-drama-series-1202205059/|archive-date=November 9, 2017|access-date=November 9, 2017}}</ref> <!-- 110, 111 -->
* [[Marsha Thomason]] as Dr. Isabel Barnes (season 1), Dr. Marcus Andrews' wife. At the end of season 4, the two separate. <!-- 109, 114, 116 --> <ref name="Thomason">{{Cite web|url=https://deadline.com/2017/10/marsha-thomason-the-good-doctor-bahram-khosraviani-the-brave-casting-1202190831/|title=Marsha Thomason Scrubs In For 'The Good Doctor'; Bahram Khosraviani Joins 'The Brave'|last=Hipes|first=Patrick|date=October 18, 2017|website=[[Deadline Hollywood]]|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20171018232137/http://deadline.com/2017/10/marsha-thomason-the-good-doctor-bahram-khosraviani-the-brave-casting-1202190831/|archive-date=October 18, 2017|access-date=October 18, 2017}}</ref>
* [[Kelly Blatz]] as Aidan Coulter, donor and Allegra's love interest
* [[Manny Jacinto]] as Bobby Ato, in the 10th episode of the first season, "Sacrifice"
* [[Tim Russ]] as Chuck, in the 3rd episode of the first season, "Oliver"
* [[Kandyse McClure]] as Celez (season 1), patient and later love interest of Dr. Kalu
* [[Necar Zadegan]] as Dr. Jordan Ko. (season 1; guest season 2)
* [[Holly Taylor]] as Maddie Glassman (season 2), Dr. Glassman's deceased daughter, who appears to him as a hallucination.
* [[Natasha Calis]] as Jess Barnes (season 2), urges Sadie Barnes to tell them that she had a premonition of her death prior to the climb
* Vered Blonstein as Lana Moore, a patient and the only autistic female character on the series.<ref name="iw_misconceptions">{{Cite news|url=https://www.indiewire.com/2019/01/the-good-doctor-sex-love-romance-xin-melissa-reiner-1202039446/|title='The Good Doctor' Upends Misconceptions About Sex and Relationships on the Spectrum|last=Nguyen|first=Hanh|date=January 28, 2019|work=[[IndieWire]]}}</ref>
* [[Alex Plank]] as Javier "Javi" Maldonado, Lana Moore's roommate and sexual partner, who is also autistic.<ref name="iw_misconceptions" />
* [[Robert Sean Leonard]] as Shamus O'Malley (season 3), a patient whose leg is pierced by the bill of a prize [[marlin]] leading to the revelation that he has bone cancer.
* [[Michael Trucco]] as Ethan Murphy (season 3), Shaun's long-estranged father, who later dies of cancer.
* [[Moises Arias]] as Luka (season 3), a drug mule hospitalized after a drug balloon bursts inside him.
* [[Casar Jacobson]] as Bartender (season 3), Dr. Murphy "calls the shots" [orders tequila] and the deaf bartender delivers.
* [[Annette O'Toole]] as Caroline Reznick (season 3), Morgan's mother.
* [[Adam Beach]] as Billy Carr (season 4), it is discovered that Billy has [[skin cancer]] instead of an ingrown hair. He remains positive with a sunny disposition and pulls through.
* [[Priscilla Faia]] as Dr. Cintia D’Souza (season 4), a second-year radiologist who works alongside Shaun at San Jose St Bonaventure Hospital. 
* [[Christian Clemenson]] as Dr. Silas Chambers (season 4).
* [[Hiro Kanagawa]] as Dr. Paul Nakano (season 4), a cardiac surgeon and Dr. Andrews' former mentor as a resident.
* [[Derek McGrath]] as Artie Hill (season 4), had a bypass which Dr. Nakano performed. Shaun thought that Dr. Nakano had made a mistake, but discovers he was wrong and helps to do the correct procedure to save Artie's life.
* [[François Chau]] as Leonard Song (season 5), a brutally beaten up Asian victim of a hate crime
* [[Ann Cusack]] as Ilana Reeves (season 5), Dr. Glassman's ex-wife who seeks his help for her dying husband, Sunil.
* [[AJ Michalka]] as Nelly Dunn (season 5), a famous pop star whose risky surgery to have her vocal chords restored nearly goes awry.
* [[Aly Michalka]] as Lexi Dunn (season 5), Nelly's well-meaning sister.
* [[Tina Majorino]] as Grace (season 5), a surrogate who is diagnosed with cancer.

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:15, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

It just got renewed for a sixth season which means if we keep the notable guests list on the main article, it would excessively long. — YoungForever^(talk) 19:23, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Recent internet meme focus

Given the recent fixation on the show on websites such as twitter, it might be important to keep an eye out for poor good faith edits and potential vandalism for a week or two. Thankfully, this seems to be at a relative minimum. Paragon Deku (talk) 04:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

I was about to open a section about this given the recent editing on this specific content. Whether it's notable to include, probably not unless another reliable source comes along. Though Forbes and DailyExpress fall under unreliable sources, which are the ones being cited right now. Callmemirela 🍁 18:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I've added a hidden note. Callmemirela 🍁 18:45, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

I've found coverage in the following sources which are considered generally reliable per WP:RSPSOURCES:

• The A.V. Club
• Insider (see WP:RSPSOURCES on "Insider [culture]")
• Polygon
• Vulture

—Matthew  / (talk) 04:49, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Critical Responses feel dissimilar

These two sentences seem quite the opposite -- that's great (diversity of viewpoints) but calling them similar is confusing.

It might also be relevent that autistic people tend to find the representation inauthentic.

"Christy Duan, Vasilis K. Pozios and Praveen R. Kambam wrote in their critique for The Hollywood Reporter that The Good Doctor presents a belief that autistic individuals only benefit society when they possess savant abilities. This is similar to arguments made by Douwe Draaisma that directors look to make an authentic representation of autism and create a character with savant skills.^{[clarification needed]}" K Smeltz (talk) 21:42, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Agree with that, and why no comments about the autistic depictions?

as an autistic person, i look forward to the day i open this article and see a single mention of the criticism this show has faced for how it represents autistic people. 194.223.174.218 (talk) 20:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

the characters/cast table is extremely dorky

i don't know what else to write here. it's just extremely dorky. i think this is not ideal use for a table. goodbye 86.28.222.197 (talk) 10:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)