Talk:The French Counts of St Hubert, Saskatchewan

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This paper was first published by Larry Smeets (1980) Memories of St Hubert and was printed by the Whitewood Herald. I requested and received permission from Larry to copy this material here. --ggatin (talk) 04:23, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I am a descendant of the early settlers that established the mission of St Hubert. My grandmother Bernadette Gatin was the niece of Fr. Boutin who established the mission. My father, Yvon Gatin leased la Rolanderie from Albert Poncelet and lived there in the mid 1950's. I was born in 1955 and lived my first year of life in the house at la Rolanderie. I grew up in the area when St Hubert Mission was still a thriving community, anchored by the church and the Joan of Arc home for invalids that operated in the community.

Love to hear more from people interested in the history and stories of people from the area.

This is my first major contribution of historical material to Wikipedia and I trust that the value will be evident to the Wikipedia folks. I look forward to discussions with more experience Wikipedians to ensure that this article meets the standards and follows the Wikipedia protocols.

I will continue to wikify the article as time allows. —Preceding --ggatin (talk) 23:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gating, I have posted to User:Moonriddengirl, who is one of the main copyright experts on WP, asking for her expertise in this matter. I think you may need to go through the WP:OTRS system to get proper copyright licensing for this article. Let's wait to see what MRG says, though. Dana boomer (talk) 14:31, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Class

Hi, Bron and I have decided to name our team WikiPIEdiansLorrie (talk) 14:44, 17 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Layering headings

Hi! I think this article would be much more readable if you used had subsections, group content in layers? Help:Section#Creation_and_numbering_of_sections -- Zanimum (talk) 18:54, 22 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The French Counts of St Hubert, Saskatchewan/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Dana boomer (talk · contribs) 14:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi! I'll be reviewing this article for GA status, and should have my full review up shortly. Dana boomer (talk) 14:32, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose, no copyvios, spelling and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
The lead needs to be expanded. For an article of this length, WP:LEAD recommends 3-4 paragraphs. The lead also needs to give a better description of its subject. From reading the lead, I have no idea who the counts are, why they were in the area, what they did there, etc.

The copyright licensing needs to be worked out for the Smeets article. See the notes I have left on the article talk page and User talk:Moonriddengirl for additional details.

What does the Ste-Jeanne d'Arc convent school section have anything to do with the subject of the article? There is no discussion of why even a mention of this school is appropriate in an article on the counts, much less an entire section devoted to the topic.

Same with the Golden Plain section - why is this relevant to the subject of the article?

There are many examples of unencyclopedic wording in the article. This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper article. Phrasings like "one must look back to the last quarter" (in fact, this whole sentence should be removed as unencyclopedic, and replaced by something like "Early settlement patterns began in the last quarter of the nineteenth century."), "They apparently agreed" (apparently says who?), etc. Overall, the article needs a thorough copyedit with a strict eye for neutrality and encyclopedic wording.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Extensive work is needed on referencing. Entire sections go without references, and in these sections and other unreferenced areas I see quotes, opinions, etc. that are unreferenced. This is one of the largest issues standing in the way of GA status.

Five dead links. See here for the Toolserver report and more details.

Ancestry.com (refs #13 and 14) is not a reliable source.
It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
The article seems unfocused, with sections on schoolhouses and post offices that give no indication of their relation to the subject of the article. The subject of the article is the French counts, so the article needs to be tightened to focus on them, not on the general history of the area.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Are there really no other appropriate images for this article? A 50kb article with only one image and one map is a bit...unusual. However, images are not a requirement for GA, and so if there are really no other related/appropriate images out there, the article will be fine as is.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
Overall, while I can see that a lot of work has been put into this article, more is needed before it is of GA status. Quite a bit of attention to referencing and focus/encyclopedic tone is necessary, and the copyright ownership of the Smeets article will need to be worked out. At this point, due to the large amount of work that is needed, I am failing the article's GA nomination. Please let me know if you have any questions. Dana boomer (talk) 14:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]