Talk:The Forgotten Soldier

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Removed Dead Link

I pity the people that feel the need to scrutinize everything that has been an account on the memories and/or lives of the German side of the story during the war. These people do not value the German soldiers as human, or as having ever suffered in the same manner, if not WORSE than the Soviet or American troops, both during and especially after the war in Soviet internment camps. These people make me sick, and thus, in order to keep Wikipedia's supposed "ubiased" history reputation, I have removed the link citing sources that "claim inaccuracies in Sajer's book." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.41.55.88 (talk) 01:40, 23 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst in agreement with your sentiments, IMHO removal of that link would violate NPOV, as the claims of inaccuracies represent (if verified) potentially valid points. Also, many of these claims don't dispute the fact that Sajer was on the Eastern front, but point out that he may have embellished his book with stories heard from others in his unit(s). Obviously, if it is a dead link then it should be removed. Finally, the fact that 'people make you sick' is not a tenable position to take when dealing with what is supposed to be an encyclopedic article.1812ahill (talk) 21:46, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sajer's Comrade

What is the source of this information in the article: "..., the comrade of the author ("Hals") who is referred throughout the book has been identified, contacted, and has verified Guy Sajer's account."? Since this statement seems of no minor relevance with respect to the book's authenticity controversy, shouldn't it be mentioned? Besides, the comrade was named Halls in the book - this should probably also be fixed. VickyP 22:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually his name is spelled as Hals in the book. I'm certain of this due to the fact that i just stopped reading the book a few minutes ago.

Well, I've got a German copy of the book in front of me ("Denn dieser Tage Qual war groß", Deutscher Bücherbund, 1969), and in it he's called Halls. It would be interesting to know how he's spelled in the French original, and also why either the English or the German translator chose to change that spelling. VickyP 21:11, 8 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've read (and am currently re-reading) the English version of Forgotten Soldier and the comrade's name is spelt as "Hals". I guess the author of the article used this spelling as this article is in 'English'. It would be nice to find out if Hals ever met Sajer again, as their parting was rather moving for me. It'd be nice to know if they ever conversed. Henners91 11:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Name of Sajer's Friend: Actually, Sajer used mostly pseudonyms for his character. For example, the name of Sajer's friend "Hals" or "Halls" was Stefan Walls. After being released from a British POW camp in 1946, Walls emigrated to the USA and settled in Connecticut. He made a career in the insurance industry but is believed to have died during the late 1990s. Guy Sajer last heard from him in 1996. Source of this comment is Guy Sajer aka Guy Mouminoux. User: Douglas E. Nash, 8:06 p.m., 8 January 2007.

Added 'Walls' to text with ref to feldgrau.net - hope that is acceptable vis-a-vis WP:V.1812ahill (talk) 21:51, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the swedish version it is spelled Halls. 212.181.158.116 (talk) 15:50, 28 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In the French version too.Nortmannus (talk) 07:52, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hals dies in the book as their truck is attacked by an aircraft, so I can't make any sense of this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.143.7.44 (talk) 17:04, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not "Hals/Halls/Walls" died in that truck, "Ernst Neubach", an Engineer-NCO did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.15.163.86 (talk) 17:36, 18 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

More Details on the Novel

I am currently re-reading the book and if I find the time I'll try write a brief summary of the book. Henners91 11:25, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Authors Name

This article describes the authors name as a pseudonym. Reading the references at the bottom, this seems inaccurate. Sajer was his mothers maiden name and, he claims, the name under which he enlisted, due to it being a German name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Peteherron (talk • contribs) 23:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The author's real name was Guy Mouminoux. That's the name in the Coulommiers (France) phone book. I've written him a dozen times and he has confirmed this. Sajer was his mother's maiden name and the name under which he enlisted (he volunteered - was not drafted, as many believe). His pen name is Dimitri, under which he continues to draw comic strips for publication, also known as bande dessinée. At 81, he's still going strong and turns 82 in January 2008. Posted by Douglas E. Nash, 8:15 p.m., 8 January 2008.

Mouminoux in Geopatronyme [1]Nortmannus (talk) 07:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Fair use rationale for Image:Forgotten Soldier.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 19:53, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link

The link that goes to the Sajer bio that has a photograph seems to be dead. The page is accessible through web.archive.org, but the photograph has not been archived. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.108.180.45 (talk) 22:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article cleanup

This website is not a WP:RS source. I plan to remove the content cited to it, along with content that has been uncited from 2008. Please let me know if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:35, 22 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I further cleaned up the article; rationale is provided in the edit summaries. Please let me know if there are any concerns. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:51, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discussion:Le_Soldat_oubli%C3%A9#Int%C3%A9ressant