Talk:The Flash season 4

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the The Flash season 4 article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Television: Arrowverse / Episode coverage Low‑importance

	Television portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Television, a collaborative effort to develop and improve Wikipedia articles about television programs. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page where you can join the discussion. To improve this article, please refer to the style guidelines for the type of work.TelevisionWikipedia:WikiProject TelevisionTemplate:WikiProject Televisiontelevision articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Arrowverse task force.
	This article is supported by the Episode coverage task force (assessed as Mid-importance).

Comics: DC Comics Low‑importance

	Comics portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Comics, a collaborative effort to build an encyclopedic guide to comics on Wikipedia. Get involved! If you would like to participate, you can help with the current tasks, visit the notice board, edit the attached article or discuss it at the project's talk page.ComicsWikipedia:WikiProject ComicsTemplate:WikiProject ComicsComics articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by DC Comics work group.

United States: Television Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	Television portal This article is supported by American television task force.

The Flash Season 4 colour

Can you point out to me where on The Flash Season 4 poster dark red is more prominent? If you use TinEye, you'll see that the dark colours elsewhere on the poster "bleed" into the red and present a dark red that is not actually present. Technology isn't always right, sometimes the human eye is. There is also nothing that actually states that the season colours need to be drastically different to each other. -- Alex^TW 02:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The dark red is actually quite present throughout the suit, in addition to being in the background around the suit. [1] While it's not stated that season colours should be different, it does help the readers when they can be. Which in this case, can be done. Why wouldn't we choose the one that clearly differentiates the two seasons? Not that it matters that much since neither of these will be the season's final colour anyway. -- Brojam (talk) 02:45, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that link. It supports that I stated about it simply being the darker shades of the suit blending in with the red and other darker areas, to create a dark red that isn't really there nor prominent (A difference of 2.3% is barely anything - if it was 23%, then you'd have a point). The two colours of the Season 3 and the Season 4 colour I attempted to use, I already find them to be rather different enough. And it does matter much, given that we'll be using this colour for at least the next half-year. I can start a discussion of it on the article's talk page and gain some other editor's views, which might be the best option. -- Alex^TW

Does anyone have any opinions on the colours presented here and here? -- Alex^TW 03:00, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This looks much better in the article. The other is almost black. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:08, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that 360E17 looks nearly black... but I do think it is extremely important to be able to easily and quickly differentiate between season colours (the colours for seasons 1 and 2 are waaaaaaaay too close to one another, for example) so I'm glad to hear Alex arguing that colour prominence needn't be the only factor considered. That being said, I find the difference between season 3 and the lighter red here (7C1C1A) different enough in this case. The darker red and the season 1 and 2 colours also look far too close to one another, so if the darker red were chosen, we'd have 3 seasons with very similar colours and 3 would stand out more than it should. Looking at the colour map, though, I'd probably go with 43307D just to be clearly distinct. —Joeyconnick (talk) 06:03, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, #43307D was the first colour picked by Alex when the poster was released (see here). I had originally changed the colour since I was under the impression that the MOST prominent colour should always be picked, but since that doesn't seem to be the case I don't mind using that one since it is to most distinct. - Brojam (talk) 22:48, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Taking names from the series episodes

We don't usually take the names of the characters from the eps themselves. We use references. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:08, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"We don't usually?" That sounds worded in a way as to support your POV without you having to provide backup for that opinion of yours. Can you point us to a guideline or policy that specifies this? Because I am pretty sure I could likewise say "we usually go with whatever Cisco calls them in an episode and don't bother waiting for a secondary source since character names or monikers are elements that can clearly be sourced using primary sources, much like we do with plot details" and that would be as valid as your interpretation that we for some unexplained reason need a different standard before including character names/superheroic aliases/etc.

Also, since "The Fiddler" was listed (and was fine by everyone) until you came along, could you revert your removal of it until we've finished this discussion, as per WP:BRD? Thanks. —Joeyconnick (talk) 04:26, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, when I used "we", it was the royal 'We', as in 'We at Wikipedia'. We use sources here. Plot outlines are often excepted from that requirement, with the understanding that group consensus is going to arrive at the version that most fits "reality". If someone challenges it, it is out unless it can be cited.

I recall an exemplar situation with someone being called the Joker at the Gotham article. It took forever; people going back and forth with the 'was he or was he not' arguments ad nauseum. The way it was settled was to use reliably-sourced references only. I find it works best, and it fits perfectly within our policies regarding the use of references.

Just because a character in an episode one-offs a name doesn't make it that character's name. the comic book character is male and has an entirely different backstory. So, without references, it cannot be in the article. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 04:53, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]