Talk:The Color of Money

Disambiguate/split

Good changes, and I haven't even seen the IMDB page for this film. I'm really a Wiki-newb, but I think this needs a stub tag and a disambiguation from the book. Much like the Fight Club and Fight Club (film) pages. --Doom Music 1/1/2006

Current edit should be sufficient. We don't have enough material on either the book or the film to warrant an article split; not even close. It's also no longer a stub. — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 10:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

This does eventually need to fork into The Color of Money for the book and The Color of Money (film); cf. The Hustler and The Hustler (film). — SMcCandlish [talk] [contrib] ツ 21:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Agree, when there is sufficient material and reliable sources on the novel it can be split out. At the amount there is nothing more than a plot summary, and articles based on plot summaries are against WP:PLOT. SilkTork *^YES! 11:34, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

There should be a lot more information about the novel to warrant a split up. Keep it as such for now. S_peakF_ree ^(talk)_(contribs) 23:42, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

It still needs to split. We don't write one article about two different things, unless one is a subtopic of the other, which is not the case here. As long as there's any source at all on the novel, that's good enough. As for the plot, the book is its own source, of course. We just need something, like some reviews, to establish the book's notability. — SMcCandlish   Talk⇒〈°⌊°〉 Contribs. 12:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Legacy

I don't see what's wrong with the Legacy section. It's also sourced. 47.152.93.124 (talk) 02:53, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

It is irrelevant to the film and utterly trivial. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 03:06, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

The legacy section is about a pool challenge match that's named after the film. That does define the word legacy. 107.130.120.49 (talk) 20:05, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

So what? It has nothing to do with the film. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 20:23, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

The legacy of a work does not necessarily refer to later things that deal with the work directly. It also includes later things that make references to it. 2605:E000:2E42:A3F0:25ED:B04F:B6D5:603 (talk) 03:03, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Only if they are relevant and well-sourced. ---The Old Jacobite_{The '45} 11:51, 8 July 2017 (UTC)

Define "relevant and well-sourced." 2605:E000:2E54:800:D1F4:3D0:D3E6:91B9 (talk) 23:24, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Sequel to The Hustler

The way the intro is written seems to obfuscate the fact this is a sequel to the even more highly acclaimed The Hustler (film). That film won two out of nine Oscar nominations. Is there a reason the intro doesn't simply say this is a sequel?108.171.128.182 (talk) 14:18, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 21:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going to be reviewing this article. Expect comments by the end of the week. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:39, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

• Move the short description to the top of the article (MOS:ORDER).
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• Improve the poster's non-free use rationale with this template.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• Wikilink the first mention of The Color of Money in the infobox.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• Helen Shaver is also listed in the film's billing block.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• "October 8, 1986 (Premiere)" – "Premiere" should be replaced with the name of the city it was first screened in.
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• "120 minutes" – source? Thelma Schoonmaker and Robbie Robertson also need citations for verification (see MOS:INFOBOXREF).
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• The film's budget is listed as $13.8 million. This is also not sourced or mentioned anywhere in the article.
  • I'm not sure how you find this info, so I've removed it. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• Is this article using mdy or dmy dates? Be consistent throughout the article.
  • Now in MDY. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• "It was the ninth film released by Touchstone Pictures." – source?
  • Reworded Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• "It features an original score by Robbie Robertson." – source?
  • Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:26, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• "The film continues the story of pool hustler and stakehorse Edward "Fast Eddie" Felson from Tevis' first novel, The Hustler (1959), with Newman reprising his role from the 1961 film adaptation." – this entire sentence is not mentioned or sourced anywhere in the article.
  • Added Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• "A challenge nine-ball match was named after it in 1997 at which Efren Reyes defeated Earl Strickland to win the largest single match purse in pool history of $100,000." – a large part of this sentence is unsourced.
  • I added an additional source. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• The plot section is less than 700 words so that passes WP:FILMPLOT.
  • Grand Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• Add a comma after "In particular".
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• "The Color of Money is an American sports film directed by Martin Scorsese and was released by Touchstone Pictures." → "The Color of Money is an American sports film directed by Martin Scorsese and released by Touchstone Pictures."
  • Fixed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• Wikipedia has listed Blu-ray.com as an unreliable source.
  • Removed Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:35, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• "received positive critical response" → "received a positive critical response" or "received positive reviews"
  • Done Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:48, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• The lead should probably mention the film's release and box office performance as well.
  • I've added a piece Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 20:48, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
• There are almost 50 reviews, 15 of which are from top critics, so #Reception should be expanded.
  •  Working Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
  •  Done I have expanded this. Any of the top critics that aren't cited are region locked away from me. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
• Several awards in #Accolades are unsourced. I would suggest adding a reference column.
  • Added a couple. Struggling with a few others. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:02, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
    • I have commented out the remaining things I can't find, with the view to see if we can cite after promotion. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 14:33, 6 September 2021 (UTC)
• "... his first Oscar win after eight nominations, seven of them for Best Actor." – source
  • Sourced/reworded. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:44, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
• #Production should probably be expanded to cover where the film was shot, how it was made, and its post-production phase (editing and soundtrack).s
  • I've added a piece on where it was filmed, but I don't really know where you'd find info on editing? Soundtrack is covered in it's own section. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 10:44, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

• @Lee Vilenski: My final comment would be to make sure every single citation has an author, date, access-date, and website credited where applicable and to make sure you're following WP:CURLY, WP:QWQ, and WP:ALLCAPS. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 22:07, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
  • I have gone through the refs [7]. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:46, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Please recheck. A lot of references are missing publication dates. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 11:31, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Ok, I think I got them all. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:59, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: Thanks for the update. However, #20 is now a permanent dead link. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 21:27, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

I have removed the info. I'm sure we could cite to the episode of the show, but I don't think that would even cover what was said. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 08:44, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@Lee Vilenski: ok, final note: I believe this article still has a lot of content that can be moved into the article about its production, including Thelma Schoonmaker's role as its editor. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 11:36, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

that is a good citation. I'll add something as soon as I can. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:03, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

I've added a little, about the editor, cinematographer, budget etc. from that source. Everything else is mostly quotes and hyperbole, unless you can see something additional. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 13:37, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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