Talk:The Challenge 40: Battle of the Eras

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If there's no need for 'LOSE,' the same applies to 'WON.' Players in either category have the same outcome—none can be placed in elimination. Each cycle, only the designated targets are at risk.

Separating these outcomes highlights the team's overall performance, and including one without the other doesn't align with this approach, as previously mentioned. ReillyVega (talk) 20:32, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Not true. These are team challenges so they are all considered the winners of the challenge, even if only two people earn power. Challenge wins are a fundamental part of the show and are pretty much recorded for an overwhelming majority of seasons. Outside of targets going into elimination, other members of the last place team are of little relevance. --RealLifed (talk) 10:03, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

The win is only relevant to a player if they are the target. What you’re describing applies to every team, as it's a zero-sum outcome.

To maintain consistency, we should focus on marking the targets and outcomes. Including ‘WON’ and ‘SAFE’ for second place while ignoring ‘LAST’ creates an inconsistency. Either everything should be marked, or we should stick to just marking the targets.

Since this is a team game, not an individual or duo event, it’s important to reflect that in the way we track outcomes. We should ensure that all relevant information is shown, without picking and choosing selectively. ReillyVega (talk) 10:22, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Could we please establish a consensus on how to approach these edits? It seems this topic hasn’t been fully addressed, yet edits are still being made. I believe it would be helpful to clarify the direction we’re taking.

Including 'WON' and 'SAFE' to indicate the first, second, and third place teams, but then overlooking 'LAST' seems inconsistent. Especially when 'LAST' has a distinctive outcome on the cycle, the same as 'WON'.

See The Challenge: War of the Worlds 2, the entire winning team isn’t marked here, so I’m wondering what the difference is? It seems like this is selective editing without consistent criteria. ReillyVega (talk) 18:31, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

The difference for War of the Worlds 2 is that the winning team are still vulnerable to be selected outside the Tribubal. Also there is no requirement for 'consistency' of either both or none of WON and SAFE, that's just made up by YOU. We only need to keep relevant information on here as Wikipedia is not a collection of indiscriminate information per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. It is appropriate to include WON since these are team challenges the entire Era are considered the winners of the challenges. There is no risk outside of the targets for being the last team on the challenge and it is unnecessary to add. Also 'win is only relevant to a player if they are the target' is not true at all, challenge wins are a fundamental component of the format and the winners are highly pertinent regardless of whether they get power or not.--RealLifed (talk) 14:12, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Also going to add that while I don't agree of the 'both or none' criteria, I would rather keep both WON and LAST/LOSE than neither.--RealLifed (talk) 14:33, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your input and suggestion! I think keeping both is a great idea. :) ReillyVega (talk) 16:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Imo I am against adding LOSE and partial to keeping/removing WON. If I'd have to choose I'd say cut both. I don't think either adds anything to the table or shows any necessary information. If we're setting the precedent that LOSE needs to be included for the losing team, are we going back and changing it for every season? For example, the losing teams on Vendettas, are we going to clarify every person who was on the last-place team? I'd rather keep the table simple than add information that doesn't change the outcome or affect the game. TheDevin13 (talk) 01:53, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

The whole team wins and is immune. It should be win in yellow for all of them except the team targets who should have win in blue. Last is not necessary at all since the targets are the only ones going in from that team. Having people who won the daily and aren’t vulnerable as just “SAFE” is stupid 2A02:587:326A:3EDD:8D6C:4DA2:A8AF:6286 (talk) 03:10, 5 September 2024 (UTC)

yeah i agree, whether they’re in danger or not winning the dailies counts towards their statistics, and i feel like ‘WON’ should be shown 100.38.58.140 (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks like we're going to be adding both then ;) ReillyVega (talk) 08:13, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

The table has been updated following our recent discussion. We've included a variety of viewpoints to ensure clarity. As agreed, whether the team wins or loses, only the targets are at risk. This means that a team win or loss has no impact on the position of anyone who isn’t a target – they cannot be sent home during that round. Since winning a daily challenge doesn't affect non-targets, we've also reflected that a loss in a daily challenge should follow the same logic.

Thank you all for your input and collaboration! ReillyVega (talk) 08:24, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

I think adding "statistics" just for the sole purpose of it falls under WP:TRIVIA Eriru (talk) 10:47, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Very true, I agree and think both team win and loss should be left to fan pages. Table in its current state fits the purpose best for Wikipedia. ReillyVega (talk) 19:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

That wasn't the agreement that was reached at all? You had 1 (you) say we needed both, 1 who was ambivalent to either, 2 who stated that only WON should be included, and 1 (me) who is against the inclusion of either. There is not a clear consensus. TheDevin13 (talk) 14:21, 21 September 2024 (UTC)