Talk:The Amazing Race 19

Deadline

The application says the deadlines are correct but they are still holding open casting calls all over the country. Not sure when the deadline is. They had one on 4/28/11 in Bee Cave, TX and —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedoaner (talk • contribs) 19:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Scheduling

The article makes a statement concerning Undercover Boss that is no longer the current information on that show's scheduling. Per the CBS press release in May, as reprinted at the Futon Critic, UB is not on the fall schedule for CBS, "The Good Wife will air after TAR in the fall. http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/05/18/cbs-announces-2011-2012-primetime-fall-schedule-956403/20110518cbs01/ CBS has also officially greenlighted a 20th cycle for TAR to air in the spring of 2012, also as in a CBS press release as reprinted at the Futon Critic: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2011/06/16/the-amazing-race-to-make-its-20th-trek-around-the-globe-606013/20110616cbs01/

Theschnauzers (talk) 00:55, 23 June 2011 (UTC)theschnauzers

Spoiler reminders

See Talk:The Amazing Race 18#Spoiler reminders for details. ApprenticeFan ^work 02:47, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Let's just spell it out. Do not add content to this article unless it is reliably sourced to a website that does not utilize Reality Fan Forum or any other fan forum for its information. If a news article in whatever country they show up in mentions that they're there, then we can use it for Wikipedia. Otherwise, no RFF sources.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:50, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

The best thing in my opinion would be for this page to be locked to IP users, preferably for a month whilst the race is still being filmed, thus to avoid speculation/spoilers being added as much Fragmented Heart (talk) 19:25, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Preventative protection is not allowed. It has to be done after the fact to prevent further damage. This is why The Amazing Race Australia is currently locked.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:28, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

There's no reliable source stating Karl Malone's involvement. So do not add him to the article.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 20:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Cast revealed

Cast is now revealed on Entertainment Weekly. http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/08/31/amazing-race-cast-survivor-ethan-jenna/ ApprenticeFan ^work 12:22, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

New additional info

It's already sourced. I should write it here.

This season, the multi-Emmy Award-winning series sends 11 new Teams on a Race around the globe, making first time visits to exotic locations such as Indonesia, Malawi, Belgium and Denmark. Along the way, Teams will travel through four continents and 20 cities and cover nearly 40,000 miles. Teams will be tested early and often and met with a new penalty called the “Hazard,” which will impact one Team’s future on the Race right from the starting line. The global journey sets off from the foothills of Southern California where the Teams’ problem solving abilities will be put to the test as they search for clues to their first destination, Taipei, Taiwan. Teams fortunate enough to survive the first leg will find themselves amidst an 8th Century Buddhist temple in Indonesia, riding elephants through the rain forests of Thailand, and racing for their lives when they discover they’re facing the series first ever Double Elimination.

Link: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/2011/08/31/cbs-announces-the-cast-for-the-new-season-of-the-amazing-race-premiering-sunday-sept-25/101916/

ApprenticeFan ^work 03:55, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

We shouldn't copy things word for word. We also do not need to mention random things about tasks that they have done until the episodes actually air.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 04:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

Adding this info word for word from tvbythenumbers would violate the Wikipedia rules, more specifically the Copyvio rule. 82.15.8.146 (talk) 15:57, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Hidden pre-formatting of future leg content

As we are two weeks before airing, there is really no reason to have this information prepared, particularly because it doesn't tell anyone anything. We can write up a proper "Leg 1" and "Future legs" section with reliable sources. Masem and I have both reverted the content, and I have been trying to tell Intoronto1125 that the content is entirely unnecessary, but he has simply reverted to edit warring. So let's discuss it here.

I do not think that this hidden content serves any purpose. There is no reason to feature any form of hidden content meant for use live in an article. If it is supposed to be shown to the general reader, then it should be included on the page. As of right now, all of this relevant information is provided in prose and there is no purpose in having it set up to be in the "Leg 1, Leg 2, Future legs" form at this stage in the article. We can wait for next week when we have TV Guide postings to provide this content, and therefore actual reliable sources. And then, we do not need to use Orfeoedeuridice or Intoronto1125's version.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:42, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Says the person who on the last season of the race was okay with the information being visible. [1] This information is hidden, meaning nobody is able to see it! When its time to show the information show it. It does not interfere with the article at all. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 00:50, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

The content you are pointing out is after the first episode had aired and we had sources for all of the places that they were going to visit. Based on the usual stalkers at RFF, we do not have every single destination identified. We do not even have any particular cities other than LA, Taipei, and Hillerod identified. Because we do not know everything, we do not need to include it in part, and we do not need to have the content hidden. And we can write the first leg info in a better format when the first episode airs. And I can change my opinion as to what constitutes allowable content on articles.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 00:57, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

That is why its hidden! Having information hidden information does not harm the article. Considering you have a history of reverting a lot of my edits when it comes to the Amazing Race I don't believe its a simple change of opinion. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 00:59, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

If it has to be hidden, it should not be there in the first place. And any sort of arguments we have had over the content in the past over the content of these pages has nothing to do with my argument against leaving this content off of the page.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

The point is you have shown in the past to revert many of my edits. In this particular case the information will be on the article soon so its being kept hidden. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 01:06, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Because you have been completely and utterly wrong in how you think the pages should be formatted. And when I make a decision to unhide part of it, you decide to rehide it. And you've just made a sixth god damn revert. The content has a reliable source, so it can be featured.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:15, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Because WP keeps a history of all edits, the details of those legs are available if we ever need to pulls those out of the history. However, keeping things as hidden comments is not appropriate; these should only be used to warning and caution editors making changes to an article. --MASEM (t) 01:14, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

The so called "sixth edit" was in mistake. It was reverted as soon as I read what had happened. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 01:28, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Can't we just agree to add leg info and as when its available and reliably sourced? If you have a source for any of the leg locations that is reliable and fits in the Wikipedia rules, add them and just let it be, there is no need for hidden info or anything like that, if its available and has a reliable source, add it(Stuff like the WP Spoiler doesnt really apply here) 82.15.8.146 (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Hazard Icon Discussion

We all know this season will feature a Hazzard, and that it will effect a team on the race who recieves it. What Icon shall we use for the results table to represent this new race feature? A team may end up being eliminated or put at a major disadvantage because of this new feature so I think its best we decide on an icon to go on the Results table after the applicable episode airs, so we don't end up with a bunch of users adding their own icon. Any ideas or suggestions on what to use? 82.15.8.146 (talk) 18:36, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

ħ, color to be determined later.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:54, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Or perhaps н.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 18:58, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I like н better, looks nice. Gonzalochileno (talk) 19:44, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

En (Cyrillic) it is.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 21:36, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

I agree, good job people. If anyone changes just refer to the talk page 82.15.8.146 (talk) 00:55, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Double Elimination Leg Icon Discussion

As with the Hazard Icon, what should we use to label this leg a double elimination one on the table? A user has just added something onto the table but I've seen no discussion on this, so to avoid any edit wars that may occur if people don't agree with a set icon, we should discuss 82.15.8.146 (talk) 01:06, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

We have had a double elimination leg in the past (although one was at a mid-point). An icon isn't wholly necessary. And a double-dagger probably would have been better.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:09, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, I have made it the ‡.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:17, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Mschrader1971, 28 September 2011

I'd like to ad external link to my web page on the the amazing race 19 the web address is https://sites.google.com/site/theamazingrace19watchers/

thank you Mschrader1971 (talk) 21:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Mschrader1971 (talk) 21:30, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, that type of link is not appropriate for Wikipedia, see WP:EL. Generally, we only include links to official sites that deal with the show and its producers, and not fan-based sites. --MASEM (t) 21:47, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

Ruining the network coverage despite not following the U.S. telecast

User:Intoronto1125 added the second leg results when it has not finished the U.S. East Coast telecast. Can someone revert it until the show ends? ApprenticeFan ^work 01:07, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Because it hasn't aired in the USA doesn't mean it can't be put up. If you don't like it don't edit until you have finished watching. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 01:20, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

There is no RS to affirm the results of an unaired or even partially aired leg. Therefore, until the leg has completely aired in the East Coast, any results are improper to add. --MASEM (t) 01:34, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Spoiler Intoronto1125TalkContributions 01:40, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

This isn't an issue with WP:SPOILER. It's that the main nation's broadcast had not been completed and it could not be confirmed (for example, you messed up two teams' placements as far as I can tell). Also, it would help if you did not revert everything that gets in your way. This makes it hard to edit the page. I'm not sure if we need to make a rule that says information cannot be added until the end of the US Eastern/Central telecast, but it would certainly help that if in the future should CBS run late on the US Eastern seaboard, information should not be removed just because of edit conflicts.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:43, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Then what is it with? How about you didn't you revert everything that came in your way? Besides I did make an effort to put back the information (although I did miss some, it wasn't on purpose). So don't act like your the victim here, because you are not. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 01:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

For all practical purposes, no one should be adding any specific results of a leg until the episode has completely aired once (eg on the East Coast), just to make sure all the details are correct. --MASEM (t) 02:07, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Masem, the problem is that Intoronto1125 is in (as his username states) Toronto, and was not affected by the NFL pushing back the broadcast on CBS affiliates, so he (and everyone else in most of Ontario and Quebec) got the broadcast on time. The problem is when Canadian Wikipedians get the finished broadcast first, and the Americans are 20 minutes behind, as was the case this week, and the Americans and Canadians get in the way of each other.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 02:12, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

So if they got it first, then it fair game to add. That's why I really recommend not trying to edit while the show's in progress particularly when you have potential for that much conflict. --MASEM (t) 03:00, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Things wouldn't have been a problem if there hadn't been edit conflicts in the leg section and if Intoronto1125 put the race results in order.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 03:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Q on Results Section - original placings of the 8 affected teams in Leg 2

I see that the eight teams that were affected by the mistake at the orphanage in Leg 2 only had their final placements noted. Shouldn't the original placements of those eight teams be noted on that Footnote #3 below on the results?

Goldeneye0 (talk) 01:41, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

They were there, but it was getting difficult to keep up with the show.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 01:44, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

1-800-CONFUCIUS

Even though the show displayed this number, I'm not convinced that this would be the actual number dialed. First, would a 1-800 number even work in a non-US country? Second, according to http://www.realitynewsonline.com/cgi-bin/ae.pl?mode=1&article=article13019.art&page=1 (Interview with Ethan & Jenna, a reference from the article), the participants had to use a phone card... isn't 1-800 supposed to be toll free? Esjs (talk) 23:49, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Not when it's an international call to whoever they had on standby for the Roadblock.—Ryulong (竜龙) 00:11, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

1 800 numbers are toll free, international rates can be different though. And different numbers have different policies for it. But internationally you can either dial out (hit 001 then the rest of the number) or use a phone card.Meatsgains (talk) 00:23, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Bodybuilding Detour

How do we know that it was a Detour (with the other half not shown)? Samer (talk) 06:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Apparently it's RFF stuff, but they do all read off the task name like a Detour. There may have also been a view of the Detour envelope, but I cannot recall seeing it while watching on TV.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:38, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Why are you contradicting yourself? Clearly saying "no RFF". Wait till a reliable source is found, but I do agree in that it seemed like a detour edited into a simple task. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 14:26, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

You are right. I should not be contradicting myself. But the AOLTV source does mention it as a Detour.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:22, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I do recall seeing a Detour clue in Amani's hand, but that's OR on my part. I agree that the task shouldn't be listed as a Detour in the absence of reliable sourcing. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 15:28, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

If you saw the Detour envelope in someone's hand, that's good enough for Wikipedia. You're not synthesizing it if it was on the show.—Ryulong (竜龙) 20:22, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

According to this, [2] it was a detour. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 15:47, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I am not convinced yet that the bodybuilding task is a detour even if [3] is provided. It just used one sentence, "they're forced to get in touch with their more muscular sides for their Detour task." Is this information from CBS or provided just because the teams are found held a detour clue during/after the bodybuilding task? If it is the latter case, I am only convinced that there is a detour in the leg, but not sure whether the detour is the bodybuilding task itself. bypeng (talk) 04:22, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Now I am convinced. I found the official site [4] shows the bodybuilding task should be a detour. bypeng (talk) 04:40, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Good. It is officially a Detour that no one picked the other side to. Moving on.—Ryulong (竜龙) 04:55, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Sunday November 27.

Will the race start in America at 8pm EST today? (This is so I know to edit the page). Intoronto1125TalkContributions 00:13, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The 10th episode will air late 55 minutes delay and so avoid giving results outside of the U.S. first. ApprenticeFan ^work 01:02, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

The show has run an hour late due to overtime on football.—Ryulong (竜龙) 01:12, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Is Netherlands included?

I am so sure that Netherlands is not including in the race list, but it's only a transit stop to Panama. ApprenticeFan ^work 10:28, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

They're told to specifically go to Schipol and the final race country count includes the Netherlands (the CBS promo material says 10 countries: USA, Taiwan, Indonesia, Thailand, Malawi, Denmark, Germany, Belgium, Netherlands, and Panama).—Ryulong (竜龙) 10:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm gonna edit The Netherlands in. It's also listed in Wikipedia's 'The Amazing Race (U.S. TV series)' page that The Netherlands was visited in Season 19. Another similar thing like this is the Kenya visit in Season 5. Albertdaniel222 (talk) 09:47, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

Indeed, no. (Nairobi,) Kenya was written in the clue in Season 5 where the teams had flew by plane to a mystery destination somewhere in Africa. Similar to teams going to Algeciras, Spain with a ferry to Tangier, Morocco in Season 3. The reason of the contrary of leg 11 that Andy & Tommy opened the clue just after the Adventures of Tin Tin task, FLY TO PANAMA CITY, PANAMA! ApprenticeFan ^work 14:30, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

My opinion on the maps

For the past two seasons, The race maps being created for this page have been..."different". I know you worked hard on them and, yes, they do look very pretty. But I'd just like to say that the earlier, simpler maps were more functional. For one thing, they were easier to see from the thumbnail. Because you've chosen this larger, rounded map for this season's route, it makes the information on the thumbnail much much smaller. Then, of course, there's the "artistic" route lines from last season. Yes, they look nice, but it makes it more difficult to see precisely where they go to. Functionality over aesthetics. The maps should be extremely simple and informative.

I will say that I approve of the "dots" you placed on this map. That's expecially helpful for the Europe part. However, these two things should be addressed or at least discussed. And I would like it if I didn't receive a simplistic "They're fine." If there is any reason these changes should stay, I would like to hear them. But I think I've made my points quite clear here. Seasons 18 and 19 should have maps similar to Seasons 17 and earlier.

Shadow2 (talk) 06:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree! Intoronto1125TalkContributions 06:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

The thumbnail is there to serve as a thumbnail. Everyone is free to click on it to go to the full map which is now a vector image rather than a crappy PNG. While you may have this opinion on these maps, I've had a lot of people work hard on these to make them functional & aesthetic. There is no reason to eliminate these maps just because you do not like the fact that the lines between cities are curved and that a different map projection was used for this season. In fact, if my buddies had more free time, I'd ask them to redo all the maps to have this new aesthetic.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I believe the problem with the thumbnail (I have no problem with the thumbnail, but two users do) is the fact that the lines are slimmer, rather than that they're curved. The straight lines don't look as pretty, but they're much thicker so more visible. Curved lines highlight the dots imo. Snowolf ^{How can I help?} 07:40, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I think that the Aussie map would be a better format, but there were a lot of different hands at work on this season's map.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:41, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

I was not complaining about the curved lines. I was talking about how the lines are thinner, how season 18's lines are "faded" and don't connect directly to the cities, and how this season's is...well, it's too big. There's a lot of wasted space, so that all of the countries appear smaller. Why is Antarctica there? It isn't on the other maps. If people were meant to click on the map to see more, than we would have text nearby saying "click here", or even just a link saying "Map". Did you ever stop to think that "crappy PNG"s might actually be what's right for this. Why do we need an SVG? What is there to zoom in on?

Again, I know they look "pretty", but this isn't an art gallery. We want people to be able to quickly see at a glance the info they need, and then possibly click on the map if they want more information. The size of the map used here simply isn't good enough for that.

Shadow2 (talk) 10:15, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, 18 needs work for sure. Antarctica is there because Sonia, the first person who I asked to help me make the map chose the one that included Antarctica and no one raised an issue with it before now. And SVGs are better, even if they are harder to work with. The good thing is, they can be modified more easily than PNGs due to the nature of how they are made in the first place, so if we need to make the lines thicker that is an easy enough task and someone won't have to come along and make a whole new map from scratch. And we need not hand hold readers to go to the map's full page. And really, after 12 weeks you chose now to say "You know, I have some issues with how this looks"?—Ryulong (竜龙) 10:26, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Pardon me, but I was hiding from spoilers. I take my TV shows seriously, and the maps have been filled with spoilers in some past seasons.

By the way, Alaska & Hawaii are missing. Shadow2 (talk) 11:04, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

It's not spoilers if the show reveals the information beforehand. And by "missing" I assume you mean they're not colored in. A simple task to fix.—Ryulong (竜龙) 11:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

You coloured in Puerto Rico, not Hawaii Shadow2 (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

User:Saibo took care of it. I will contact him to fix it, again. He's German, so it's not totally his fault.—Ryulong (竜龙) 23:58, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Right. Map-maker here. What exactly was not ideal about the current map, and what can I do to resolve it? Do the lines need to be thicker? Dots in black? Colors different (please specify them in hex triplets if you want them changed)? If a different base map is the issue, try commons:Category:Blank SVG maps of the world and pick one for use. Basically, specifics and it will be done, even if only as a mock-up to see what looks better. Will redo 18 as a svg in the same style once people are happy with this one. sonia♫ 03:23, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, I think the concern was the maps on Season 18 and 19 need to look like something found from Season 6. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 03:59, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

I do not think we need to revert to the straight lines made in MS Paint, again. The curved lines are not the issue here. The season 18 lines are a bit too embellished, but I think season 19's map and the TARAus map are fine functionally and aesthetically. I'd prefer that we use the TARAus style. The maps were simple in previous seasons because no one did that much work on them as much as I did getting other people to do for seasons 18 & 19, and Aussie season 1.—Ryulong (竜龙) 04:06, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Erk. Really? Those lines don't look great completely straight, and look at the pixellation! Or did you mean the base map used in that?

To explain the use of SVGs re the earlier question about why "crappy PNGs" aren't ideal: it's not "to zoom in". It's that raster images lose sharpness at certain sizes (whether enlarging or scaling down), where vector images do. The ability to quickly and easily modify a vector image is also key. Were this map a PNG I'd have to be remaking it from scratch, instead of tweaking it within ten minutes. In short, saying that a PNG is preferable where a vector image is possible and easy wouldn't just be like preventing a Wikipedia article from being edited so that it's static, but like taking a screenshot of that page and posting it in its place— it just isn't of as high a quality, and modifying it takes a hell of a lot longer. sonia♫ 04:34, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Season 18 and 19 maps are a disaster no use in them when I (and many other possibly) can't see the red lines. Its better if it was done like how it was for the previous seasons. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 05:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Specifics, please. Different red? Thicker lines? sonia♫ 05:21, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Ugh. Intoronto1125 we are not going back to the straight lines, if that is what this is about. And really, you should answer Sonia more clearly. Is the issue

• The map itself (where we used File:BlankMap-World.png in the past?)
• The color of the lines (the red isn't bright enough?)
• The thickness of the lines (the season 18 map isn't good but we are going to fix it once you can tell what the issue with the season 19 map is)
• The fact the lines are curved instead of straight (which I personally will not budge on)

Or something else?—Ryulong (竜龙) 05:28, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

To be honest I think its an issue with the line. The thickness allows people to see the route clearly, for season 18 and 19 its not as well done. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 05:36, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

So you want a thicker line?—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:09, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

The only issues I see are Thicker lines, and using the same base map as older seasons. Colour is fine, the dots are fine. We just want even a little consistency. I myself love the curved lines, but they need to be thicker and on the same map as used by the other seasons.Shadow2 (talk) 09:44, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

The base map is effectively the same. The one that was used this time just gives the actual curvature of the Earth rather than squaring it off on each end.—Ryulong (竜龙) 09:57, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Wasted space. The old base map gives us a closer look at the world and makes it easier to see things. Shadow2 (talk) 05:38, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Maps look much better now. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 06:03, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't think anything changed.—Ryulong (竜龙) 06:12, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Timestamps on the file show when it was changed, no need to dispute that.

The dots are bigger, the colour is darker and I believe the lines are thicker. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 06:20, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Sonia has not modified File:Amazing Race 19 map.svg yet.—Ryulong (竜龙) 07:34, 16 December 2011 (UTC) Do you think I'm lying? I saw a change and thought it was better. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 03:04, 17 December 2011 (UTC) It hadn't been changed until Sonia just changed it as she mentions below.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:49, 17 December 2011 (UTC) That is exactly how I saw it early morning today. Intoronto1125TalkContributions How???? She only just changed it.—Ryulong (竜龙) 04:25, 17 December 2011 (UTC) (I moved the convo) I am not lying how she describes it and how I saw it in the morning are the same and is different from how the maps from earlier looked. Intoronto1125TalkContributions 04:34, 17 December 2011 (UTC) THE MAP ONLY CHANGED IN THE PAST TWO HOURS. IT DID NOT CHANGE THIS MORNING.—Ryulong (竜龙) 04:44, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

...No, I hadn't changed it at all. Now, however, I've cropped it to a rectangle, removed Antarctica, and made the lines thicker and dots black. Should be much more visible, but not necessarily to what was envisioned- do provide feedback! Do the non-shaded countries need to be a darker grey? They seem to be only barely visible on the thumbnail. sonia♫ 02:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

It might help if the oceans weren't transparent.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:49, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Made the colors more like the Australian one while I was at it. If this one is all right, I could standardize the rest (as and when I have time) to the same format. sonia♫ 05:18, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I like it.—Ryulong (竜龙) 05:21, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I like it too, but I agree that the oceans need to be white. Shadow2 (talk) 01:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

20

Hello I'm a new user to wikipedia and I created a page of the amazing race 20 but somehow it cannot be linked to other amazing race pages, here's the link: http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/Amazing_Race_20, pls help if you can 1234QANTAS — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1234QANTAS (talk • contribs) 02:58, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

We're not working on that one because we have our own rules for what the pages should look like and what they will be called. Please do not do these things if you do not know the proper methods.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:13, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. I'll try to fix this up.—Ryulong (竜龙) 03:17, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

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Netherlands

At the finish line Phil clearly says "10 countries" which we have 9 listed in the article. The Netherlands is clearly the 10th country visited on the race. There are sources to suggest this [5], [6] and perhaps more Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:19, 9 November 2023 (UTC)