Talk:Texas Hollywood

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This article was nominated for deletion on 5 August 2009 (UTC). The result of the discussion was keep.

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Tibo29 has put a lot of effort into this and cannot be native English writer. I am English and many people have corrected my English so maybe it just needs correcting or linking to the spaghetti western pageREVUpminster (talk) 16:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Citations needed for films

I have removed the list of films from the article to this talk page for the following reasons:

Chronologically inconsistent with sources: A source points to the park's creation in the early seventies; it might be earlier (in the 60s) due to certain claims of filming there in the 60s. One possible explanation could be the park (Texas Hollywood) was established in the 70s but parts of it were already there (before it had any name). However, per WP:V, we need sources to back what is written, otherwise it is original research.
Escape from Fort Bravo (1953) is filmed in Death Valley and New Mexico.[1] As far as sources tell, none stated it was filmed in this park (or what became this park). The "Fort Bravo" name could likely be an attempt to associate the park with the film (or events in the film were recreated at one time as shows in the park).
Several of these films were shot in the region (and likely some were not even near this subject but in Almeria) but not in the park; it would not be accurate to say that they are related to the subject then.
Wikipedia is not supposed to be an indiscriminate font of information. A list of selected notable films (to show a diverse range) or such would be less overwhelming.

Regardless, the primary reason falls to a failure of WP:V. Jappalang (talk) 03:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This article is only notable as a film studio as is mini hollywood and the films recorded there not as a theme park or they would be listed under their theme park names of Fort Bravo and Oaysis. Tibo29 who created the three film studio (not theme park articles) pages must have had some spanish guide book and why they have so many spanish names. Here is a link http://www.tabernas.org/secciones/cinecentral.htm the Spanish for Texas Hollywood translates "Build in the year 1963 for the filming of the movie "For a Few Dollars" starring Clint Eastwood. Other films are back Valdez, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The Young Indiana Jones, and many more". Western Leone "Built for the film "Once Upon a Time " with Henry Fonda and Claudia Cardinale. Other films include The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, The Return to Treasure Island, Catwlon, East West, and Chato's Land" Mini Hollywood "It was built in the 60's and witnessed the shooting of hundreds of movies like "Death was a price"by Sergio Leone". He has done the same on French Wikipedia and it was on Spanish wikipedia.Also the mexican village is as big as the western town, they sit at right angles to each other.REVUpminster (talk) 16:42, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ps. Did you check out the above discussion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Texas Hollywood REVUpminster (talk) 16:48, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think you mean "only notable as a film set"? Being notable only as a film set does not matter in the removal of the list; we are trying to establish an encyclopaedia here. An article about a film set would deal with its history (when and how it was formed, the context of the era then), what functions does it have, notable events, reactions towards the subject and such; i.e. an article that presents the subject in its entirety as a summary. If a list is desired, then a List of shows filmed at Texas Hollywood or such should be created, and even then, per WP:V, such lists should be cited to a reliable source (for the reasons pointed above, particularly how Escape to Fort Bravo is erroneously attributed to being shot in Texas Hollywood). The information at http://www.tabernas.org is suspect because Mini Hollywood is the first set (of the three theme parks) built by Leone in 1965 for For A Few Dollars More, according to Christopher Frayling and Howard Hughes[2][3], both experts in the field. There were also several other minor such towns/sets in the desert used for his films, sets previously used for other westerns and that did not become as successful as the three mentioned. Furthermore, how are films before the 1960s supposed to be filmed in "Texas Hollywood" when sources (reliable or otherwise) point to a setup only as early as the 1960s-70s (again note the point about Escape to Fort Bravo). This points to the original information as suspect; claiming Tibo29 has some sort of Spanish guide book bears the same weight as claiming it was his original research (it is equally possible he is a Spanish film buff who is contributing what he thinks is "right"). The AfD contains nothing that would help back what is written in the list below. Jappalang (talk) 22:09, 12 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I do not disagree with you. The films listed to me seem to relate more to the area than the studio. Why Escape from Fort Bravo is there unless Tibo has confused it with another film or maybe it was a rip off film. I still think the emphasis should be as a film studio. I can cite Queen of Swords. They used the Mexican village, the Western Jail and other western buildings as sound stages for the 22 episodes and Pepsi with Beckham and other well known players using the saloon is on a number of internet pages. I noticed on the external link the church has lost its's bell tower which was always a deadgivaway when watching a spaghetti western.REVUpminster (talk) 06:36, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure what is the direction you are raising here. Whether Texas Hollywood is cast as a "film studio" or "tourist attraction" is irrelevant to whether a full list of shows should be in the article (presuming the subject of this thread is about the inclusion of a list). As explained, a standard Wikipedia namespace article is an encylopaedic overview of a subject; a detailed list is more appropriate as a standalone list article. Jappalang (talk) 01:24, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I had completley forgotton about the List of films shot in Almeria page until it came up on my watch list. The three film studio pages should have a "See also" link to it.You can do it or I will.REVUpminster (talk) 08:56, 14 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I am not opposed to a "See also", although the premise of asking readers to go to such a wide ranging list (Almeria is a whole province, while the three sets are confined to the Tabernas Desert) seems a bit reaching too far to establish relevance. Adding links to the other sets without establishing relevance seem to be going against WP:SEEALSO, but I am not hard up on it. On a side note, the List of films shot in Almeria suffers the same issue that plagued the lists formerly in all three articles on the film sets: it is entirely unsourced. Jappalang (talk) 01:40, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Mini Hollywood is often used as a generic term for the three studios taken from Oasys previous name. Some films probably? used all three sets. Texas Hollywood is now called Fort Bravo after the Fort of Chilvalry there. I don't think this is the same fort used in El Condor?. One day I shall go there.This is an interesting wiki powered site [4]. REVUpminster (talk) 09:06, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, all reliable sources as far as I know point "Mini Hollywood" to Oasys only. If there is one (not a blog, wiki, or self-published webpage) that claims "Mini Hollywood" as a name applied to any of the other 2 film sets, I would like to know. As for the El Condor fort, it has no relation to that structure in Texas Hollywood (I never indicated it as such). I have already refined its location (thanks to a publication by the Almeria Studies Institute); it is indeed west of Texas Hollywood, but closer to Western Leone. Texas Hollywood's own "Fort Bravo" is an attempt to allude the 1953 film to visitors. Jappalang (talk) 16:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]