Talk:Tex (Red vs. Blue)

Okay it may be just me but did anyone see that in the third ending of episode 100 there was a ghost in the backround? I think it might have been Tex. My brother says it might be Flowers but I don't think so because he never came back before and Tex comes back alot. Does any one else agree with me?Artemisfowl25 02:29, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

It was Tucker walking around. -- Viewdrix 02:40, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Her State

Her state code name is Texas not Nevada, if you notice when she says that she's talking to Caboose.--71.192.119.17 15:44, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

No, she's talking to Tucker and Donut. And why would she lie about that? It makes no sense. Dac 01:49, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Her state code name is Texas. In Out of Mind part 3, York's Delta AI refers to Tex as both "Agent Omega Texas" (believing she still carries the Omega AI) and then "Agent Texas" (when he discovers she is not carrying the Omega AI) thereafter. I would think that a fellow agent and his AI would be a more reliable source then something she told to Caboose (or anyone else in Blood Gulch that she considers below her).Phoenixmuffin (talk) 03:50, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed, a perfectly explainable reason she said Nevada, is a) She's a Super Cautious, un-trusting Freelancer, and b) she was being sarcastic because the qeustion was stupid. Arkkeeper (talk) 21:45, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Reasonable, yes. Verifiable, no. It's all still speculation. Anyway, for the moment, I'm content to run with her explanation that her codename is Nevada for four reasons. First of all, there's no solid evidence that she was lying. Second, she was dead already, what does she have to lose by telling a couple of guys she's hanging out with and aren't likely to harm her robot body what her codename was? In fact, even if she was alive she probably wouldn't have to worry. Third, in the S5 DVD Character Profile it ouright states her codename is Nevada. And fourth, Church stated that her name is Tex because she's from Texas. This statement, given his tone of voice, I would be inclined to believe is sarcastic, had he not followed it up with an irritated "Trust me, it makes sense" designed to hammer it home.

So for now, we're going to take both Tex and her character profile at their words and leave it as Nevada. We can't change that based solely and utterly on speculation. Dac (talk) 01:14, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Good Points. Arkkeeper (talk) 15:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Her code name is Texas. Ben of Rooster Teeth stated in the sponsor forum on the official site that Burnie said her codename is Texas, and that her comments in episode 41 are meant to be sarcastic.Phoenixmuffin (talk) 02:00, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Oh, for...are we STILL debating this? We need a link that shows one of the RT staff members verifying this, otherwise, we are running on the most reliable source we have, which at the moment is the character profile on the Season Five DVD. Ben is one of the website coders. He's a good guy and does his job well, but he's not one of the RT Production Crew, so he's still a secondary source to stuff the production crew does release. Dac (talk) 00:25, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

the post where Burnie says that Tex's codename is Texas is only able to be read by sponsors. (for any sponsors it can be located here http://www.roosterteeth.com/forum/reply.php?id=10109048&num=66) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.104.65 (talk) 01:52, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Is Burnie unable to say this himself? Ben isn't part of the production crew. Sorry, but unless we get a direct statement from a member of the production crew and not someone else saying what the production crew have said, we stick with cited information. Yes, I'm aware this is a narrow scope, but we have to be able to cite clear, indisputable facts, and when one person reports what another said and nothing else corroborates with that statement, then it can't be classed as reliable. Dac (talk) 11:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

i doubt that Burnie has the time to spend to correct one error on this site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.74.139.147 (talk) 16:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

What about his own site, where it's been raised, and it's about his brainchild? Nothing against Burnie, there's just nothing to substantiate Ben's claim that Burnie told him something. In the past, Burnie has answered numerous continuity questions himself in his journal. If Ben or anyone else had posed the question to him, he would have done likewise here. Telling someone else to report back to a thread? He's never done that before, why would he start now? Dac (talk) 22:51, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

In another sponsor thread he does explain that it was a joke, but i'm only a normal user i can't search for it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.104.65 (talk) 22:55, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I'm a sponsor and I've searched for it at least a dozen times, and I know others here have as well, and we've never seen hide nor hair of it. So until Burnie, Geoff or Matt, or any of them who are on the production crew, give a direct statement about this, we have nothing to cite above the citation we already have. Dac (talk) 00:10, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Well i just got a comment from geoff in my profile discopete019 stating that Nevada was a joke. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.127.104.65 (talk) 02:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Hunh...so it would seem...well, I'd be willing to let that pass then, but I think we have some things against citing profile comments, not quite sure about that. Would help if some of the others could drop in here and give a voice on this. Dac (talk) 17:10, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

Tex's real name is "Allison", her code name is "Agent Texas". Reconstruction cites this several times, both from Agent Washington and Church. Can i also point out that if there's 49 states (minus poor, poor Florida), why the hell would Tex have TWO agent code names? "Nevada" was a sarcastic quip at Tucker and Donut's inquiries. I can't believe people are STILL arguing over this. - 202.171.161.250 (talk) 23:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Tex isn't dead

Technically, Tex didn't die at the end of episode 100, as she was already dead. All that was lost was the armor she was in.

Well she was treated as being gone for good, and as yet we've received no evidence to the contrary so we'll leave it for now. Dac 09:17, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Tex isn't dead. The ship jumped away before the bomb went off in the sky. Wyoming's helmet, with its ability to jump through space and/or time was plugged into the navigational computer of the ship. This is not said, but is shown briefly while the ship is taking off. User:Pioneer42 14:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

We don't know what happened, if the ship did or did not jump, so we're going to wait until further notice until RT puts out a source or something verifying one way or the other. We can't go on speculation. Dac (talk) 22:27, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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O'Connor

I haven't found any source that reveals this to be her last name. I've made edits that keep this as her last name, but only because it continues to appear elsewhere in the article. A citation for this would be appreciated. Phoenixmuffin (talk) 04:30, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

As there is no citation or noting it inside in-universe sources, we cannot add it. As per your other edits, steel is a silver colour. Black is still very much her colour inside Halo 2. And as far as the name "Agent Texas" goes, it's in direct conflict with her line that her codename is "Nevada". As we are unsure which is correct, we deliberately left both out of the article until a source can verify either. Thank you. Dac (talk) 01:44, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You are splitting hairs. There is no viable reason to NOT include "steel". As for Nevada vs Texas, I would like to note that in at least episodes 99 and 100 she refers to herself as Freelancer Tex. If Tex was merely a personal nickname, and not short for Texas, her codename, then I doubt she would use it as an operating name. Given that she is referred to as "Agent Texas" in two of the Out of Mind episodes, and only Nevada once in a single episode (in which the context is certainly questionable), there is more contradictory material against Nevada. There is more to debunk Nevada then there is to debunk Texas. "Agent Texas" should be included, at the very least, ad interim. Phoenixmuffin (talk) 07:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

"Steel" is NOT the correct colour. Her colour is black. Not steel, black. They are two VERY DIFFERENT colours, therefore, putting up "steel" is putting up incorrect info.

Also, as stated in the early episode where she was contacted, she also used the name "Freelancer Tex" as an operating name, and it was AFTER that that Church established she is indeed from Texas and later still she stated that Nevada was her codename. As there is no evidence to support or refute either over the other, both are left out. It's a compromise. Dac (talk) 08:26, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

You must not have ever played Halo 2 or Halo 3, otherwise you would understand the color discrepancy. Steel is the name of the color used for her while filming with the Halo 2 and 3 game engines. This is cold hard fact. Phoenixmuffin (talk) 21:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Please do not insinuate I do not know what I am talking about. I assure you I do. And having played Halo 2 and 3 abundantly I understand the colour discrepancy; namely, that steel is the silver colour, and black is the black colour. Steel is the trim colour on York's outfit, for another reference. Now please, do not incorrectly modify the colour, and do not insult me. This is not the place for that. Dac (talk) 21:49, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

There must be a difference in the international or Australian release (or whatever difference from the American you may have), because there is no armor color option for "black" in Halo 2 or 3. Black was replaced by "Steel" since Halo 2. And I am not incorrectly modifying the armor color, and here is a screenshot from the Season 4 DVD character profile to prove it. [1].Phoenixmuffin (talk) 20:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I have it on my TV now and I'm looking directly at the option for "black" on my screen. You guys seriously don't have that? Ugh...well fine, but there's no comma in that screenshot so if we want to use that screenshot as a basis, the colour in the infobox will have to be "black steel". Because the "steel" option is definitely the silver colour I'm looking at now.

Also, as long as we're using that screenshot as a basis for fact, it clearly states "Codename: Nevada", so, just putting that out there. Dac (talk) 21:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe I didn't include a comma in my edit for it. I wouldn't say that the DVD confirms Nevada as it does her armor color, because there isn't conflicting statements in the series about her armor color as there is the codename. I do see that there is still a controversy over whether or not it's Texas or Nevada, because of the context in which the latter is mentioned. I don't think we can say for sure which one is her state codename, but due to the DVD source (which may or may not be reinforcing Nevada being sarcasm), I say we include Agent Nevada in the article until a consensus is reached (ad interim) or until future material provides a definite answer. Phoenixmuffin (talk) 22:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

No, you missed my point, the inclusion of a comma would mean two different colours. I changed your edit so that the words are in the same order as the source. Anyway, it's debatable about whether or not there are conflicting statements about the armour colour like the codename, they just aren't in-universe. Example, the debate we've just been having. The whole gaming-engine-labels vs. dialogue-in-universe provides a mess for the colours of Tucker and Simmons. The gaming engine calls Simmons's colour crimson, but we use maroon since that's the actual shade, whereas we run with the gaming engine definition of cyan for Tucker since, again, that's the real colour (the whole debate about teal and aqua in S4 confused people). Likewise here. There's the debate over gaming engine vs. what's stated in the videos (I somewhat remember Tex being referred to as black in the Halo 2-based episodes), although that's slightly more off here since, apparently, I got different labels. Not sure why that is.

I still fail to see what is so controversial about the in-conversation mention by Tex of her codename as Nevada or how it can possibly be sarcasm...usually I'd take the DVD profile at its word and I'm inclined to do so again here, but I think for now we should just leave it blank as we have done until a better source appears. Dac (talk) 23:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Our debate over Tex's armor color stemmed solely from differences in the American and international release of the game. If I was telling someone about Red vs Blue, who didn't follow it, I would tell them that Tex is the black one. But this an encyclopedic article where detail has reason to be specified. I haven't gone into the Tucker article and included the difference in colors because it's much harder to note the difference between them (if any) than the black and steel discrepancy. I'm not quite that anal about Red vs Blue. I know the difference between black and steel because, while they are both in essence black, steel is noticeably lighter then black and was to help eliminate the camouflage advantage black had in Halo: CE. The Nevada thing could be easily be just a play on the situation. Her name being "Tex" makes it obvious that her codename is Texas, but nope, she says Nevada. Perfect set up for a joke. That's why I say that the context in which the Nevada codename is revealed is questionable. The DVD could also be a throwback on the joke, as the season 4 DVD came out before Out of Mind. I'm defending my rationale of Nevada's legitimacy more then actually arguing for Agent Texas. Just so we don't have another misunderstanding.

I'd like to take this time to point out another potential flaw in the way the article is presented. Freelancer Allison "Tex", in the way it is presented, is inherently flawed and looks messy, in my opinion. I suggest changing the intro to read "Freelancer Tex ((aka Allison, Agent Nevada, Agent (Omega) Texas)). I don't think it's too far fetched to claim that she's ever gone by the name Nevada (as a freelancer she would be required to go by several differing aliases). Agent Texas/Nevada are both factual names for her (I doubt the Delta AI would call her Agent Texas for no reason). This way both names are listed without stating which one is her state codename. Phoenixmuffin (talk) 23:47, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Again, I don't think it should be raised in the article unless one is given note over the other. And as far as your claim goes that it's a perfect set-up for a joke, I have to disagree, because you're leaving out the fact that, as Church says, she has the nickname because she's from Texas. Had it not been for that line I'd be inclined to agree with you, but as it stands we can't just rule that out. However, I will acknowledge that her intro line is set out wrong so I'll go ahead and correct that now. Dac (talk) 02:42, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but the nickname could have been derived from Texas being her codename. Again, of course I'm stretching with this, he could have decided to just tell Caboose she was from Texas to avoid a lengthy explanation. The fact that she's from Texas doesn't inherently mean said fact disqualifies her codename as the source of the nickname.Phoenixmuffin (talk) 03:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, in the context it was spoken, yes, it does. "Why is her name Tex?" "Because she's from Texas." Plain and simple. Just because he's saying it to Caboose doesn't mean there's some uber-cryptic meaning that Church isn't letting on. Caboose is given too much licence and used as an excuse to make vague connections between theories, and frankly, they never seem to balance out. Dac (talk) 06:39, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Name and end

Her full name would be Allison Elizabeth (family name) and this would thereby make the song still applicable, because her father would just be referring to her middle name.

As for the canonical ending in 100, it's assumed by most fans that she simply threw Andy out, and the ship went into slipspace before he detonated.

- NemFX (talk) 15:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Song clearly states "a girl named Beth", meaning that the first name was Beth, not the middle name. Song has also previously been expressed as not having any impact on the canon, so is therefore irrelevant, and as far as your note about the ending goes, the keyword is "assumed" and therefore we cannot place that in the article. Also, I would argue that "most" fans reached this conclusion. "Many", perhaps, but "most"? I don't think so. Dac (talk) 14:13, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I believe Trocodero's position on the whole "Beth" issue is that Beth is her middle name. As for the canon ending, Andy detonated inside the ship, but the explosion was weak and just damaged the ship severely; but not enough to destroy it. Watch Reconstruction, FFS. Phoenixmuffin (talk) 00:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Location of body

It says Church found where Tex's body was in Chapter 14. Where is it shown? For a more knowledgeable and relaxed Wikipedia- Nemesis646 (talk) 20:36, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Church was standing over Tex's body inside the base. He kept calling her name because he assumed she was still around it. Ccs4ever (talk) 01:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Revelation

SPOILER Any one who has not seen episode 16 of RvB Reconstruction look no further.

Since it has been revealed that Church is the Alpha, hence his 'ghost' ability and Tex was able to do this also, does anyone else think it is possible that she too is an AI. Perhaps the test subject Wash referred to with two AIs implanted in (Omega and an Unknown). Thoughts/opinions? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.208.106.129 (talk) 15:12, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, the talk page isn't the place for forum discussion, only improving the article. Our thoughts and opinions don't count in that regard as they are original research. Ccs4ever (talk) 16:52, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

yes, she is an AI and it has been put in already. Look at the bottom of the article, says list of Artificial Intelligences. Is kinda obvious shes an AI. And thats not forum dicusion, its stating something which is obvious —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.35.157.136 (talk) 17:12, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

It's still speculation. That someone jumped the gun and added the category in there (and we missed it), counts for nothing.--Drat (Talk) 18:18, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

AI, dirctor, church, tex, i uncovered a major part of the plot

you know church is alpha AI, right, and the director is church's personality, right. Remember how at the end of reconstruction, the director said that there was a woman who he loved, who he lost. Remember how wash said tex was the most valued and favouritised of the freelancers and how she is a "ghost". Remember how church is in love with Tex. I uncovered it. I think tex is an AI of the woman director loved, thats why she is valued, a "ghost" and why Church is in love with her. May i put this on. Also, feel free to comment on my awessomeness and how i uncovered this —Preceding unsigned comment added by Devilsheep (talk) 17:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

You're hardly the 50,000th person to have noticed that. However, unless it is directly stated that Tex is an AI and is based on the mind of the Director's lost love, it's original research. Articles are not a venue for unsourced speculation, and there have been numerous times in the course of the show that the popular speculation has turned out to be wrong (eg. O'Malley killed at end of S3, Sarge posessed by O'Malley at end of S4, Tex's ship totally destroyed at end of S5, to name but a few).--Drat (Talk) 18:13, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Recreation

There was some information added to the character history section, that was from the trailer of recreation. Since the series has technically not started yet we should not added information taken from the trailer since the trailer was just a short episode basically. Lets wait until some more episodes come out until we start adding information from recreation. Codeman177 (talk) 02:13, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

• Agreed. I would even go so far as to say that a trailer is not reliable at all as far as plot of the final product is concerned. —TKD [talk][c] 03:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Her Halo 2 images should be updated to the Halo 3 "recreation" image though. Technically so should Church's. - 15.195.201.88 (talk) 04:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Name

To clear this up once and for all, ever since the jump to the Halo 3 engine, Tex has been called by her nickname AND Agent Texas. Agent Texas is her Freelancer name, Tex is a nickname (like Wash was to Washington). We should fix up the start of the article to reflect this, but i can't find the right format. I considered "Freelancer Agent Texas or Tex", real name Allison, but that's too clunky, maybe someone can think of something more streamlined. - 15.195.201.88 (talk) 04:46, 27 April 2010 (UTC)