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Please stop adding false statements about accusations

The cited sources even note that this individual was acquitted of all charges, and that minors were not found. Source states "In April 2012, Tevfik Arif was acquitted by a Turkish court of all charges in connection with the incident reported here. The court also found that none of the women on the yacht was under the age of 18." Please stop adding false and libelous statements, see and also see WP:BLPCRIME in particular in this case - "editors must seriously consider not including material in any article suggesting that the person has committed a crime, or is accused of having committed one, unless a conviction is secured." None of this information should be in the article, as editors we should always err on the side of caution for living individuals. Hennesseyvebss (talk) 02:49, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

These statements comply with WP:BLPCRIME. The yacht incident had international coverage.[1][2][3][4] Both The Guardian and Hurriyet said: "Turkey deported nine Russian and Ukrainian women, including two under the legal age of consent". It is indisputable that Arif was detained and charged on these allegations. The sourced content that Hennesseyvebss is blanking is written neutrally and clearly states that he was acquitted. Moreover, sourced content about Doyen Capital is also being deleted with no explanation. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 03:35, 8 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the full Guardian article you reference, particularly the court recording that all women on board were over 18. Continually adding the false statement about minors is clearly violating WP:BLP of contentious material and WP:BLPCRIME as there is no, and has been no, conviction. Regarding Doyen Capital, reading further into the sourced material reveals Doyen Capital is related to his son (and possibly brother) [5] (see also [6]), not the Tevfik Arif that is the subject of this article, so does not belong in this particular page - if there are additional pages for his son or brother (I could not find any) perhaps that information can go there. Thank you. Hennesseyvebss (talk) 19:01, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Repeated attempts by single-purpose accounts to whitewash sourced content from this article are in violation of WP:NOTCENSORED. I note that Arifs have previously employed Bell Pottinger and Schillings to "remove news stories linking the family to the yacht scandal." Any editors with conflicts of interest are required to reveal who is paying them and are "generally advised not to edit affected articles directly" (see WP:COI).

As to the Savarona affair, many reliable sources indicate that there were minors aboard.

I have no objection to including the language from the court judgment. It could also be said that in February 2016, several of those who were previously acquitted, including Arif's chauffeur and assistant, were found guilty of human trafficking. [7] That article indicates there were a total of 13 women who were under the age of 18. Given the abundance of sourcing around this topic, it might be best to have a separate article for the Savarona affair, with a briefer synopsis here.

As to the Doyen Group (the parent company of Doyen Capital), several sources indicate that Tevfik Arif has, at the minimum, financed the company. I can commit to creating articles for Doyen Group or even the Arif family if it helps, but multiple reliable sources connect Tevfik Arif to Doyen, so it bears mentioning here. gobonobo ⁺ ^c 23:59, 12 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]