Talk:Temagami First Nation

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How long have have humans been in the area?

An edit by @Teddy BearLoon: at 03:45, 18 December 2013 added "Temagami First Nation people have been thriving in the area for over 9,000 years." I'm interested in determining the citation for the number 9,000. It looks like User:Teddy BearLoon's account was only used to make edits to this page in 2013, so I'm not likely to hear from them, though I'll add something to their Talk page. Below are some possible citations and dates.

In "Temagami: A Debate on Wilderness" (1996), on p. 160, Diana Gordon states that at that time, no Paleo-Indian (12,000 - 7,000 b.p) sites have been confirmed in northeastern Ontario inland from the Great Lakes. Gordon goes on to state that there is a strong possibility that such sites exist and cites Pollock (1984) and Gordon (n.d.). Gordon states that the earliest reliable stratified archaeological context radiocarbon date is 5,030 +/- B.P. (GaK-2802) at the Montreal River Site. Gordon states that the Three Pines site (located on Lake Temagami), which shows signs of human occupation. could have been available for occupation by at least 6,400 years ago. On p. 162 of "Temagami: A Debate on Wilderness," available in full from https://epdf.pub/temagami-a-debate-on-wilderness.html, Gordon states that the Three Pines site includes artifacts from the Archaic period.
In "A Lake through Time: Archaeological and Palaeo-Environmental Investigations at Lake Temagami, 1985–1994," Ontario Archaeology, No. 93, 2013, Diana Gordon goes in to detail about the Three Pines site and on page 137 states that the Three Pines site was available for occupation about 7,500 b.p. On p. 90, Gordon states " For the Archaic period, the earliest radiocarbon dates are 8488 ± 105 cal B.P.(7670 ± 120 RCYBP) for an early Archaic component at the Foxie Otter site (Hanks 1988)and 5791 ± 275 cal B.P. (5030 ± 240 RCYBP) for the lowest Shield Archaic stratum at the Montreal River site (Knight 1977)." The Foxie Otter site is located on Fox Lake, near Sudbury, about 130km west of Bear Island. It is not completely clear where the Montreal River site is, but "Temagami: A Debate on Wilderness," p. 155 states that Knight excavated where the Montreal River empties in to Lake Timiskaming, about 55km east of Bear Island. On p. 99 of "Paleo-Environmental Investigations...," Gordon states that water level analysis concerning rock paintings suggests that the paintings were made between 1,000 and 4,000 years ago.

So, there is scientific evidence for the Three Pines site is that the site could have been occupied after 7,500 b.p. There is radiocarbon-dated evidence of human occupation 8488 ± 105 cal B.P. 130km to the west at Fox Lake and 5791 ± 275 cal B.P. to the north east where the Montreal River empties in to Lake Timiskaming. Cxbrx (talk) 16:50, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Teme-Augama Anishnabai and Temagami First Nation?

It seems that Teme-Augama Anishnabai and Temagami First Nation have quite a bit of overlap and perhaps they should be merged. In 2013, Temagami First Nation was tagged with the proposed merge, but the tag was removed in 2015 after there had been no discussion on either page.

The difference between the Teme-Augama Anishnabai (TAA) and Temagami First Nation (TFN) is subtle. The temagamifirstnation.ca about page says "The Temagami First Nation is the Body Politic of the 800 Teme-Augama Anishnabai, who are presently recognized as Indians under the Indian Act of Canada." There is no website for Tema-Augama Anishnabai. Looking at Google hits, which is not a great idea (WP:GNUM), but can be seen as a rough benchmark shows that "Temagami First Nation" has 11,400 and "Teme-Augama Anishnabai" has 5,270 hits. It is important to me to be culturally sensitive here, my perception is that Temagami First Nation is a name that was applied to the Teme-Augama Anishnabai people by non-TAA people. On the other side, I would like to see a good article that does not have lots of duplicate information with another article. The article should also clearly compare and contrast the TAA and the TFN. Are there any TFN members who are not TAA people? Are there any TAA people who are not TFN members? Questions like this. In particular, I'd like to get the input of @Volcanoguy: who started the Teme-Augama Anishnabai article. Cxbrx (talk) 17:16, 30 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Closing stale merge proposal; no input in over a year; no support. Klbrain (talk) 09:17, 19 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]