Talk:Tell Khalid

Same place as Asmacık, Oğuzeli

@Al Ameer son Asmacık is still known as Tell Khalid (Tilhalit in Turkish): [1][2] Tell Khalid was renamed to Asmacık, because the former was not etymologically Turkic, but it is not as preferred, except for official records. There is a mention of a town in the body text, so this article isn't just about the mound or the castle but a settlement. There are many cases where ancient settlements and modern towns/villages are combined in one article such as Harran and many more if we take major cities with single articles into account. Although it is not illogical to have a separate article for a historical site and the settlement, the amount of content is not that much to have two separate articles, and the village and the historical settlement (which this article also encompasses) are basically the same place. Ayıntaplı (talk) 01:18, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

For the record, I didn't really want to discuss this, because this article is not visited that much, and the discussion could get abandoned before it could even start. I actually moved Turbessel as well for the same reason, but I provided a more lengthy edit summary, while this time, I got a bit lazy. Ayıntaplı (talk) 01:27, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ayıntaplı: Thank you for the explanation. Is there a reliable source to support any of this, even just that Asmacik is commonly called Tell Khalid (Tilhalit)? I ask because I did not see any cited in either article. If so, and we merge the two, I would argue that the article should be named Tell Khalid, since it would then appear that this is the common name for both the medieval site and the modern village. The common name in English sources trumps (for lack of a better word) the official name, per Wiki guidelines. Al Ameer (talk) 01:53, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Al Ameer son: I'm not sure if I will be able to find a source that specifically points out that it is more commonly called "Tilhalit," but "Tilhalit" is the original name of the village that is still used to this day and was changed very recently. Though not accessible digitally and in Turkish, this book from the Turkish government lists the name changes for the villages, including Tilhalit: I specifically chose the links in my first comment, because the pages were accessible and they are in English. Otherwise, there are countless sources mentioning the original name and the name change. Ayıntaplı (talk) 02:03, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I am okay with renaming the article to Tell Khalid by the way. Ayıntaplı (talk) 02:06, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Ayıntaplı: Upon a cursory search of Google Books, I've come across several sources showing that Asmacik is Tilhalit, and that it is 1 km from the mound. Based on this, and your explanation above, I am fine with a merger. I do recommend that the merged article be called 'Tilhalit', as this appears to be both the common name for both the medieval site/mound and the populated village. Google hits, while not ideal, also show an exponentially higher count for Tilhalit than either Asmacik or "Tell Khalid" and the latter's transliterared Arabic variations (Talkhalid, Tall Khalid, Tel Khalid, Tal Khalid). Finally, in the merged article, I encourage you to add some of the sources confirming the identification of the site. Regards Al Ameer (talk) 18:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Al Ameer son Sure will do. Thank you for your time and efforts. Best, Ayıntaplı (talk) 16:46, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

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