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Move discussion

@Al Ameer son I have reverted your page move after a technical request from @Alexandermcnabb. If you still think the page should be moved to the new title you chose, please discuss it here. Toadspike [Talk] 15:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Alexandermcnabb:@Toadspike: The many English transliterations of this word can be used interchangeably for nearly all the places listed in the disambiguation page and there is no truly 'common name' transliteration in the sources for these places, except to marginal degrees. Someone searching 'Tayyibah' may just as likely be searching for any of the other listed places. None of the listed places are so prominent or notable to be the main 'Tayyibah', 'Tayyiba', 'Tayiba', 'Tayibeh', 'Tayibe', 'Taybah', 'Tayba', 'Taybeh', 'Taybe', 'Taibah', 'Taiba', 'Taibeh' or 'Taibe'. While several of these transliterations are of colloquial Levantine Arabic and would not be applicable to this article about a place in the Gulf, this article's spelling is easily applicable to all the other places,as it is the truest-to-form modern standard Arabic (MSA) transliteration. The MSA versions of this name (Tayyibah, Tayyiba) are commonly used to refer to the listed places in scholarly sources and we would be doing a disservice to the readers not to point them to the dab page where they could select the place they were looking for. --Al Ameer (talk) 19:58, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I figured that this was the reasoning and it makes sense. However, I also share Alexander's worry below that deciding there's no primary topic across a dozen titles and articles simply because of inconsistent transliteration could be confusing or inconvenient for our readers.

Do you have sources that refer to any of the other towns at Taybeh (disambiguation) as "Tayyibah"? I've skimmed through the refs at Taybeh, Ramallah and found only the specific spelling "Taybeh", for example. Toadspike [Talk] 08:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a hatnote pointing to the DAB page on this article. Toadspike [Talk] 08:38, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Toadspike:@Al Ameer son: I note your addition to the DAB page including a wide range of possible English spellings of 'Taybeh'. I agree transliteration is a mess, one reason I have 'standardised' as much as possible with enwiki content on the UAE (replacing al-Example with the more readily searchable Al Example, for instance - generally how the UAE is now spelling its English road signs/place names). But because transliteration is a mess is not a reason to commandeer a range of 20-plus possible spellings of a word and rope in any and all of those variations. The settlement of Tayyibah in Fujairah is called, in English (on road signs, shops etc), Tayyibah. It's pronounced tai yee ba - not tey ba. Disambiguating two places called, in English, Tayyibah is something I, and any reasonable person, would support. Renaming the article, replacing the name of a recognised settlement with a redirect, to accommodate any possible or imaginable variation on place names across the Middle East because of sloppy transliteration doesn't strike me as reasonable, TBH... And nobody looking for 'Taybeh' or 'Taibah' is going to Google 'Tayyibah'. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 06:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Toadspike:@Alexandermcnabb: I understand but do not agree. As I mentioned 'Tayyibah' or 'Tayyiba' is simply the truer to form Modern Standard Arabic transliteration of the same name and is very often used in scholarly sources when referring to any of the places we have listed at the dab page. Just enter 'Tayyibah' 'village' or 'Tayyibah' 'town' on Google Books and you will see page after page referring to different Tayyibah's, the ones in Palestine, Syria, Israel, Jordan, Lebanon. Had to get to page 3 on the search before the first instance of this Tayyibah. On a regular Google search of 'Tayyibah village' or 'Tayyibah town' the case is stronger for this village but I'm not sure how much of that has to do with Wikipedia's spelling of the name. I can live with a hatnote and may create redirects of 'Tayyibah, Palestine', 'Tayyibah, Lebanon', etc. to the dab page, but I do not see the harm with disambiguating this article to 'Tayyibah, United Arab Emirates' or why this village in particular qualifies as the primary topic for Tayyibah. --Al Ameer (talk) 17:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good point on the Google Books search. The regular search results are skewed in favor of the UAE town and the Wadi nearby, but the websites it returns are not reliable sources, so I can't base any claims of primary-topicness on that. With this, I have no objections to you restoring your move and redirect of this page. Toadspike [Talk] 22:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do a Google Books search for 'Tayyibah' and you get Indonesia, Sudan, forenames, all sorts of things. But the village isn't a cack-handed transliteration of an Arabic name in an old English text book (try looking up Dubayy or Ash Shariqa - early attempts to transliterate the UAE's place names plague the place up to today - and were the cause of a huge number of 'fake' places in the UAE thanks to early Wikipedia and someone banging in every mad entry in an old US Gazetteer ), it's literally called, in English, Tayyibah. The Google search returns Tayyibah not because of citogenisis (the article's not old enough to have accreted quite enough belly button fluff) but because it's a known and popular day trip destination in the Emirates - and is spelled Tayyibah in English, not in transliterationese. Going back to my original point, from the user's point of view, nobody in their right minds is going to Google so distinctive a word as Tayyibah in English if they were looking for Taybeh. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]