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In May 2008, the restaurant and the Westfield Group announced plans to open a second, 40,000 square foot location in the Metreon mall in downtown San Francisco, California, in the summer of 2009.^[1]

References

^ James Temple. "Tavern on the Green coming to the Metreon". San Francisco Chronicle. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Text "May 6, 2008" ignored (help)

The Westfield Group's commercial announcement of a restaurant to open in San Francisco bears no relation to the subject here, Tavern on the Green, save that they own both commercial properties. The footnote is a link to a press release advertising the coming opening, on behalf of the corporation. This is not encyclopedia material. I have left an impersonal note at the User's talkpage, in order not to be embroiled in a confrontation. --Wetman (talk) 12:34, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored the content. I had not noticed at the time I did it. It is certainly notable. The link is a San Francisco Chronicle article. The Chron happens to be San Francisco's primary newspaper. It does not run press releases. Although that story is far more thoroughly reported I have added a citation to New York's local rag as well.[1]Wikidemon (talk) 17:31, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Copied from User talk:Wetman:

WP:DTTR please, and don't WP:EW. Tavern on the Green, the highest grossing restaurant in the US, developing a second location that would be one of the most prominent restaurant openings in the US, is as relevant to company history as anything in the article, and notable per WP:RS. If you consider the tone wrong please feel free to rewrite it but I am not sure how else to describe development plans. "Announcd plans" is a way to avoid WP:CRYSTAL and seems more precise than "is in development" because that is not clear from the articel. Cheers. Wikidemon (talk) 17:25, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No one is misled by the suggestion that the San Francisco Chronicle doesn't print press releases, as all US papers do. The relevant article concerning this corporate move is not Tavern on the Green, but its current parent company, Westfield Group: its Wikipedia insertion advertises that it "owns and operates shopping centres in Australia, United States, New Zealand and the United Kingdom." A new addition to the corporate holdings is not an addition to Tavern on the Green, subject of this "articel"..--Wetman (talk) 23:18, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have no idea what you are talking about. The Chronicle like most serious papers does not reprint press releases. The few serious publications that do, such as Forbes, clearly mark them as such. For what it is worth the article is obviously a work of journalism. I see no indication that Westfield owns Tavern on the Green but even if it did, information about restaurant groups is generally put in the article about the restaurant group, not the holding company. For example, we write about locations of Olive Garden, not its owners the Darden Restaurants.Wikidemon (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relevance of holding corporation expansion in another city

What the heck? RfCs are for dispute resolution if you need a larger audience after trying to understand the issue and after attempts to work it out fail. I see no references suggesting that Westfield owns either restaurant. Read the sources. Jennifer LeRoy, daughter of the man who ran Tavern on the Green from 1974 until his death in 2001, is the current owner, not Westfield. She is developing Tavern on the Green in San Francisco, which once opened will be the largest restaurant in the city. Westfield is her new landlord by virtue of owning the Metreon. Her lease seems to be up in New York City, and she may well lose it in 2009. When a restaurateur opens a second location or a third under the same name and concept, it is information about the restaurant. We do not have separate articles about each Café du Monde or Legal Sea Foods, for instance. Wikidemon (talk) 23:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

More recent events?

It's early May, and the building is still shuttered (I walked by it a couple of days ago). It would be nice if the article covered the ongoing saga of what has happened in the past couple of months.

Some articles:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/02/nyregion/02tavern.html "And the restaurant’s vast assemblage of candelabras, samovars, weather vanes, sculptures, murals, prints, lighting fixtures, topiaries and other eccentric assets is to go on the auction block in a three-day sale at the restaurant by Guernsey’s auction house, scheduled to begin Jan. 13."

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601088&sid=aLLmg3P_AnqE "Tavern on the Green LP, owned by the LeRoy family, remains embroiled in a court battle with the City of New York over the right to the restaurant’s name, which wasn’t sold at auction. The name is valued by the family at about $19 million, according to court papers."

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20100402/SMALLBIZ/100409969 "Mayor Bloomberg is increasingly frustrated with the lack of progress in the labor negotiations at Tavern on the Green. New operator Dean Poll and union head Peter Ward have not been able to reach an agreement for a labor contract covering the 400 workers at the now closed restaurant."

http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/black_eye_LWdZ4mzWw9LRl952diqbdJ#ixzz0mu54Jjvc "Tavern on the Green, closed since Dec. 31, might remain dark for a long time to come."

-- John Broughton (♫♫) 21:49, 5 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it. Made one change [2]. — Becksguy (talk) 08:31, 30 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Addition

Can someone add that the Mr Popper's Penguins features the Tavern in the plot? I don't know how. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.108.133.37 (talk) 08:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. I haven't seen the film but I took my best stab at it.[3] Best, - Wikidemon (talk) 08:47, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture omission

the in popular culture section mentions "The Flintstones" "cavern on the green" In my opinion it should also mention "Futurama's" parody as well. 74.77.228.84 (talk) 04:23, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@74.77.228.84 Season 6 episode 7 "The Late Philip J. Fry" 74.77.228.84 (talk) 04:28, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] James Temple. "Tavern on the Green coming to the Metreon". San Francisco Chronicle. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help); Text "May 6, 2008" ignored (help)

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