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Mariah1160 (talk) 01:09, 17 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Monolinguals

Any information on how many of the Tao can speak Yami, or are monolingual? 210.254.117.186 (talk) 02:39, 9 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Photo is wrong

This photo is of the Amis people in southern Taitung. The boat in the background is for the Tao tribe, but they are unrelated. The Japanese used the word 'Yami' to describe the people of Orchid Island but it means nothing to them. They are know only as the 'Tao/ Dawu' people amongst themselves. The Yami word is outdated. I am merely correcting this information because I have lived there and my wife is from there. I would like to add more information to this page because it is very poorly done. --Pulpindobby (talk) 02:01, 13 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I concur that the photo is not of the Tao people. It is probably a picture of the Amis people which is a different tribe of the main island of Taiwan. My dad was very familiar with both tribes, and their costumes are drastically different. Shang Ko — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.174.58.116 (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Two people have said the photo-caption combination is incorrect, but no one has fixed it. I frankly don't know enough to say what the picture is of so I'm moving it here until someone more knowledgeable can figure out what to do with it. Readin (talk) 05:54, 1 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I do not know why the two commentators identified the people in the photograph as Amis. The caption does not mention the people, only the place, which is indeed Pongso no Tao. The boat is of Tao design, and the person on the left seems to be wearing a distinctive Tao headgear. I am putting the photo back. – Kaihsu (talk) 04:51, 15 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Move

When was the move from "Yami people" discussed? I don't see a record of it on the talk page. Do we have any evidence that "Tao people" is the more common term 'in English'? I have read the term "Yami" many times over the years but I don't recall ever seeing "Tao". Readin (talk) 02:34, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the comments about the people in the photograph, the Yami and the Tao are completely different people. Why was this a move rather than the creation of a new page? And why does "Yami" redirect here? Readin (talk) 02:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions for updated page

Lead- The lead contains a lot of details that do not need to be mentioned in a general overview. I would recommend simplifying the lead to include just basic information about the Yami/Tao peoples.

Etymology- While you describe the origins of the word Tao, all that is mentioned about the word Yami is that it was used to refer to the indigenous group. Does the word Yami hold any significance in the Japanese language?

Religion- The organization of this section makes it difficult to understand the content. You start by explaining the hierarchy of the ancient religious system, but then make the statement that most people practice Christianity. You then continue to describe different spirits that the people worship and fear, which conflicts with the doctrine of Christianity. I recommend including a clear and precise statement about what traditional religious practices are still followed in the Christian society.

Fishing- You only mention the ceremonial significance of fishing in the fishing sub-section. I was not aware of the significant role fishing played in a daily diet until I reached the fishing boat sub-section. Therefore I recommend including something about the ceremonial and subsistence significance of fishing to the Yami people at the beginning of the fishing section.

Overall, I can tell that you put a lot of time and effort into editing this page. The details you have included about culture and problems facing the Yami people have given me a balanced overview of this indigenous group. Meganepatton (talk) 06:11, 1 April 2015 Meganepatton (talk) 22:00, 4 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Peer review 2

There's a lot of information and lot of research here. I'm still curious about a few things, and would also suggest a line-by-line copyedit to make it really clean and readable.

Does anyone else like on Orchid Island? Since when? Is it a large or tiny island?
History—can we say more about the past, when the island was brought under Taiwanese control, life under Japanese rule, etc.
Is there a Tao political organization? is it part of CIP? When did it start? Who heads it?
Can you expand government relations?
What legal rights to land, fishing, etc. do the Tao people have? When were they recognized and how?

Thanks!!--Carwil (talk) 20:38, 10 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I was reading over your page, and I thought I would provide some last minute help. The details of the article look amazing, so great job with that! I did notice that some of the writing seemed a little complicated in placed, and it made the information a bit confusing to digest. For instance, in the history section of the article, the information about the Ch'ing Dynasty claiming Orchid Island and then ceding it to Japan was unclear at first. Perhaps rephrasing the second sentence like this: "Ch'ing Dynasty could not efficiently rule such a great span of land, so they ceded Orchid Island to Japan," would make this information clearer for readers.

Again great job, and I hope this information is beneficial to your article. Ruckers2j (talk) 21:33, 16 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What does this sentence mean?

The first paragraph of the 'Ritual and Religion' section says, "Sio-Mima is native of the second layer of the Tao cosmogony." I can't figure out what this sentence is trying to say. Can someone who knows improve this sentence to make it clearer? Readin (talk) 04:26, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What are kanen and yakan?

The 'Diet' section contains these sentence. "Their food is divided into two groups: kanen and yakan. Kanen is considered an entree similar to rice, while yakan is deemed a side dish." It is unclear to me whether the second sentence is defining the terms or describing the food. Readin (talk) 04:48, 13 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kanen is the main starch dish (rice, taro, etc.). Yakan is the accompanying side dish for flavor (meat, fish, etc.). It is the same as the terms "Kanin" and "Ulam" in Tagalog, and "Kan-on" and "Sud-an" in Visayan languages. Rice (or other bland starchy food) is always paired with a more flavorful dish. In Philippine English, the term "viand" is usually used to refer to the second dish type.-- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 03:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestion of page renaming as Tao

I'd like to suggest to rename the page from Yami people to Tao people as the ethnic group has been officially recognised as "Tao" by the government of Taiwan since 1998 per Tao people's request. Additionally, the name is preferred by the Tao people. -- TX55^TALK 12:50, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]