Talk:Tamamo-no-Mae

Japan: Culture / Mythology Mid‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Japan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Japan-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project, participate in relevant discussions, and see lists of open tasks. Current time in Japan: 13:15, November 25, 2024 (JST, Reiwa 6) (Refresh)JapanWikipedia:WikiProject JapanTemplate:WikiProject JapanJapan-related articles

Mid

This article has been rated as Mid-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article is supported by the Culture task force.

This article is supported by the Mythology task force.

WikiProject Japan to do list:

Peer review: None
A-class review: None

Featured content candidates –

Articles: None
Pictures: None
Lists: None

Good article nominations: Vinland Saga (TV series), Godzilla Minus One
Add requested images to articles that need them.
Pages for Deletion: Participate in Japan-related deletion discussions.
Improve and expand Japan-related stubs.
Create some requested articles.
Help translate an article from the Japanese Wikipedia into English.
Assess unassessed articles

Mythology Low‑importance

	Mythology portal This article is supported by WikiProject Mythology. This project provides a central approach to Mythology-related subjects on Wikipedia. Please participate by editing the article, and help us assess and improve articles to good and 1.0 standards, or visit the WikiProject page for more details.MythologyWikipedia:WikiProject MythologyTemplate:WikiProject MythologyMythology articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Folklore Low‑importance

	This article falls within the scope of WikiProject Folklore, a WikiProject dedicated to improving Wikipedia's coverage of the topics of folklore and folklore studies. If you would like to participate, you may edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project's page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to discussion.FolkloreWikipedia:WikiProject FolkloreTemplate:WikiProject FolkloreFolklore articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

History Low‑importance

	History portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject History, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the subject of History on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.HistoryWikipedia:WikiProject HistoryTemplate:WikiProject Historyhistory articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Merger

Recommend the merger of the two articles, as they are essentially facets of the other. Also recommend a partial merge of stuff from Sessho-seki, with that becoming a fork article. Any thoughts?--み使い Mitsukai 18:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Illness question

Hi.

I was wondering; does the legend explicitly say if Tamamo-no-Mae was truly plotting against the Emperor, as the astrologer claimed, or is there room for ambiguity on whether or not she was (intentionally or otherwise) trying to harm him?

As in, could the astrologer have been trying to get rid of her, or something? --Nerroth (talk) 23:56, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The article says "an kind nine-tailed kitsune", so if it meant to say "a kind nine-tailed kitsune", then she had no real malice in her. But the article also says her boss was using her to try to kill the Emperor. So yeah... she was intentionally plotting against the Emperor, but I. at least, am inferring she had no choice in the matter. No wonder she became an onryō after Miura-no-suke killed her. 173.180.75.13 (talk) 10:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

On the mention of tamamizu monogatari

The page states:

Stories of Tamamo-no-Mae being a legendary fox spirit appear during the Muromachi period as otogizōshi (prose narratives), one of which is titled Tamamizu monogatari (or "The Tale of Tamamizu") [1]

I seem to recall that tamamizu monogatari is a completely separate story about a kitsune falling in love with a girl. It is possible that tamamo-no-mae is mentioned as a prominent fox spirit but I highly doubt the appears as a character, in which case the phrasing here is misleading. My Japanese is not nearly good enough to consider checking this myself, but I did find the Japanese language page for 玉水物語 (tamamizu monogatari) makes no mention of 玉藻の前 (tamamo-no-mae). Additionally, neither does the quoted source [1] (https://rmda.kulib.kyoto-u.ac.jp/en/item/rb00013653/explanation/otogi_01) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tsukiyomin (talk • contribs) 14:19, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this looks like it's totally unrelated to me. It doesn't seem like anything was taken from that story either, other than just linking it to this page. I wouldn't have a problem with removing that link/reference. Osarusan (talk) 05:39, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, given some elements, I would not be hugely surprised if there was some kind of link there as far as the literary or folkloric development, but they're definitely not the same story and I don't have any hard evidence or sources on this. 2602:61:7B5B:401:EC47:29C9:5B25:F974 (talk) 22:13, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]