Talk:Take Off Your Colours/GA1

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Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 14:23, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

I'll review this article over the course of next weekend. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:23, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: here it is.

Infobox

• Needs alt.

I would, but what is that? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 15:08, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Its a description of the art cover. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:31, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

No, no, no, not what I meant. What is that on the cover? I know what an alt is. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 15:41, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

Oops, my bad. Great question, I have no idea but it seems like an LP with some wholes in the middle? (Please don't use this description) It's quite colorful in the middle...just do the best you can here. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:46, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done

Lead

• The 1st paragraph is missing the genre and influences of the record, critical reception of the album, and the re-release as well.
• The 2nd paragraph is missing chart performance
• The 3rd paragraph is missing the tour(s) promotion.
• Considering the amount of information you have perhaps two paragraphs would be more suitable.

I have all the information about this in the lead already. I put it in the order it appeared in the article, and it is chronological. I don't believe in there being a certain part of the lead where some details belong. See Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band for the kind of lead I'm talking about. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 23:19, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done

Background

• Phillips left the band → why?

That probably happened before the band was notable. As a result that information's probably not available anymore, because who cared enough to talk about it? While the former (struck) sentence may apply for some things I put in my Wikipedia articles, this doesn't. The real problem here is that I don't have access to this source. It was here already when I started editing it. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

You have to find one. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I am unwilling to do so. One thing I will not give up for Wikipedia are my own funds. I'm not buying this one magazine issue for one piece of information for a GA. And really, that seems like the only remaining option. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 13:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

I said you needed to find a source for the fact that he left the band, not the reason. But someone or even you already added it. so it's fine. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:24, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

• who the band had gone to college with → band is still including Phillips? how they met? why was he chosen? re-write.

You are talking about how Flint was chosen, right? Well, actually, there aren't any concrete details on why, but we do know he was the one chosen and he was initially just a touring member. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:48, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

On the latter two topic, yes but on the first actually is about Phillips. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

So what would you like me to change here? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 15:26, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

You need to put the fact he was first a touting member and later a replacement in this sentence as well. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:31, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

• following the band's → following their appearance.
• Flint was initially asked to fill in on drums for a tour, before being asked to join the band. → this should appear before or did Philips only left the band after the Slum Festival 2007?
• The band then released another EP later in 2007 → name of the EP?

"That's all she wrote", she being the interwebs. But if it comes from a band member himself, it's still reliable...right? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I actually have found this EP on Discogs, I think. It appears to have an early recording of "The Rumour" on it. This is the only source I can find for it. Should I include it or not? I know it's generally preferred that we don't do this but it seems this is the only option. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 15:54, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Use the barcode number, you know how to do it right?  Not done

• The single featured "You've Made Your Made (So Sleep in It)" as the B-side → wrong source?

AllMusic has been having some issues with some record labels as of late. As a result, the tracklist is missing currently. A December 2015 archive does have the list available, however. Do you want me to use it? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

Of course. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

• music video for the song → which song?
• ^perhaps another source instead of YouTube? Its not even their official channel.

It is, however, the official channel of the person who directed it (Lawrence Hardy). dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 00:44, 11 February 2017 (UTC)

I have just seen another video published by the alternative press that has nothing to do with it.

I don't know what I should do about the video. If you did actually visit the AltPress page that apparently had it, you'd notice it wasn't there now. I archived the part on "You've Made Your Bed", and specified the music video. However, I rewrote the whole part about Phillips entirely - what do you think of it? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:45, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

Vevo, MTV, Static...more than reliable sources.

If this argument makes any difference, I can prove there's a post by the band's official youtube account that is identical to the one already provided. here dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 01:34, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

In their official youtube channel there are two videos? How about they release two videos for the song? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:52, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Indeed, there are two on their channel. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 12:37, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Composition and recording

• During the latter month, the band were writing further material → During the latter month, the band were wrote further material
• by the band → by themselves
• the band → the group
• The title, Take Off Your Colours, comes from the film The Warriors (1979) → should be further explored. One of the band members explains the reason behind it.
• re-recorded during the album's recording process → repeated vocabulary.

 Done

Release and touring

• A music video was released for "If I Were in Your Shoes" on 14 February 2008, which was directed by Lawrence Hardy..."If I Were in Your Shoes" was released as single on 17 March through Slam Dunk, with "Taste" as the B-side → A music video was released for "If I Were in Your Shoes" on 14 February 2008, while it was official announced as single on 17 March through Slam Dunk, with "Taste" as the B-side.
• Also during February, the band supported The Audition during their headlining tour of the UK. → During the previous month, the band supported The Audition on their headlining tour of the UK.
• a music video for song was directed by Greg Allan → not on citation given.
• on 28 July. → on 28 July, 2008.
• On 11 August → On 11 August of the same year
• which was directed by Shane Davey → not on citation given.
• On 11 September, a music → On 11 September, 2008, a music
• Take Off Your Colours was released on the 6 October through Slam Dunk → The album, Take Off Your Colours, was released on the 6 October through Slam Dunk 6 October, 2008 through Slam Dunk.
• the band toured the UK → the band toured on the United Kingdom
• Which was directed by Davey. → once again not on citation given.

The director is not on source given. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:34, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes it is. I just checked both instances of where Davey appears in the article. His name shows up in both references. danny musiceditor ^{Speak up!} 01:40, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

On the dailymotion reference? What's the mark on the video? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:51, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

It's not literally on the video. It's below it. Should say something like "Dir: Shane Davey". dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 12:45, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

• In early March, the band toured the UK →I n early March, the band toured, once again, on the UK.
• on 9 March → on 9 March, 2009
• The band also announced that they had signed to Epitaph Records on 9 March → source redirects and its the wrong one.

Wrong one? What do you mean? I archived both this and the next one so you can verify. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:28, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Now its fine. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:44, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

• Epitaph released Take Off Your Colours in the US on 21 July → same as previous
• In early September, the band toured the UK → In early September, the band did a couple of intimate club shows small in the UK
• A deluxe edition of Take Off Your Colours → A limited edition of Take Off Your Colours
• on 14 September in the UK → year?
• originally a non-album single → It was eventually released as a single, so please remove this.
• features the original album on one disc and another disc of five additional songs: two non-album singles ("Finders Keepers" and "Kiss and Tell"[nb 2]) and B-sides to "Gossip", "Jealous Minds Think Alike", and the re-recorded version of "Save It for the Bedroom" → features the original album on one disc and another disc of five additional songs: "Finders Keepers", "Kiss and Tell" and B-sides to "Gossip", "Jealous Minds Think Alike", and the re-recorded version of "Save It for the Bedroom". "Finders Keepers" was released on....while "Kiss and Tell" on...

Do you insist on removing 'Finders Keepers' and 'Kiss and Tell' from the note templates? I felt uncomfortable with putting them that way because they would be out of order and I didn't know where exactly to insert them. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:28, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes just do as I said above. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:06, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

• the band supported The Academy Is... and Mayday Parade in the US on the AP Fall Ball Tour. → Does not states any support only they performed along with each other in each show, and you are missing a couple of bands.

 Done

Reception and legacy

• Remove legacy from this title, I don't see how it influenced other bands. It should be called "Commercial Performance and reception"
• Remove blogcritics and The Northern Echo from the core board, you call it "Favorable", someone may change it to positive, another person to mixed...
• Isn't blogcrtics a blog? You should remove it from the article.
• Big Cheese reviewer Jen Walker → Jen Walker from Big Cheese
• Strange Glue reviewer Aidan Williamson → Strange Glue's reviewer, Aidan Williamson, ...
• Evan Lucy of Alternative Press gave a mixed review of the album → Evan Lucy of Alternative Press gave the album a mixed review
• "potential stop-gap for those who feel like they've grown out of the schoolboy pop-punk of Busted but aren't quite ready yet to embrace the post-hardcore of Fightstar," → use your own words
• However, AllMusic reviewer Jason Birchmeier → However, Jason Birchmeier of the previous publication

If you insist. I was aware of this, but doing it any other way sounds awkward to me. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 14:32, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

• "By November 2009, Franceschi described playing the material live as having "become suffocated almost and we've really overplayed some of them". Prior to Slam Dunk Festival 2015, there were rumors that the band was going to perform Take Off Your Colours in its entirety. Franceschi later explained the band would be "extensively paying homage to that with songs" from the album." → wrong placement, previous section

 Done

Track listing

• Need a link for US and UK edition.
• Were they also produced by Matt O'Grady and co-produced by John Mitchel?

Good question. If they weren't, what would you want me to do? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 01:02, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Add the producers of those. They probably were, but still check it out. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 01:09, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

My copy of the album is digital. I'm pretty sure the only place to look would be a physical copy of the album (Allmusic failed me this time). It really wasn't covered that well by sources because YMAS weren't really well received by America until about five years later from what I can tell, and even then it was only a little better. If Yeepsi hadn't found it when he first constructed the article circa January 2016, I don't think he'd know where to look for it now...God knows how he manages to pull all those references out of his hat. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:37, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

In the UK edition the numbers are not correct.

What numbers? The track lengths? I don't know if I'm on the same page as you are. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 12:48, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

No, those are fine, the track numbers, after the thirteenth it goes back to number one, instead of 14. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:10, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

 Done

Personnel

• Unlink the last A&R, one is enough.
• Co-producer redirects for filmaking → fix that
• Use {{spaced ndash}} so there is space on both sides.

 Done

Peak positions

• Fine.

Certifications

• Fine.

References

• Link the first Gigwise, AllMusic
• Avoid shouting "DRUMS"
• Unreliable "top40-charts.com.", I would advise to replace promonews as well.

Is this an acceptable replacement for top40? [1] dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 21:15, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

Not sure, but I think so. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:19, 25 February 2017 (UTC)

• Correct formation for Punknews.org, rocklouder.co.uk.
• Wrong formation "2008-10-12"

Note: This formation is acceptable but only when all the references are like this. I will change this one. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 22:53, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

I know, but there in DMY style instead of YMD...I haven't finished this review...please read below. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:50, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done

External links

• Please remove songs are not available, copyright seems to be the problem.

 Done

Overall GA Reviews

• You can address every issue now.

MarioSoulTruthFan, is there anything I missed? I think I have everything, but I may be wrong. Also, that EP I claimed to have found on discogs was actually on last.fm, and I think that's even less suitable for Wikipedia so I scrapped the idea. It does seem to be an untitled EP and the only thing that was notable about it was that "The Rumour" first appeared there. There wasn't even a code I could pick up. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 19:40, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

@DannyMusicEditor: I will take a closer look at it. You have missed some stuff. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:02, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

I feel like you could add an extra sentence or two to the critical reception from the guardian, Kerrang or any other. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:13, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I will try some from the Guardian. I don't have the Kerrang! review, it was there before even Yeepsi worked on this page. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 15:47, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

It's fine, have you added all the dates of the release? Uk deluxe? Besides this aren't there two videos for "save it for the bedroom"? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:17, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, there are two. What's the problem? dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 17:55, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

No problem, you could add that in the proper section. "The band released two music videos for..."MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:59, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

There were 16 months between those videos. I have covered the second one in the Release section and the first in Background because really they didn't know they'd be including it on an album at that point. I changed "another" to "a second" since I thought you might like that instead, based on the above request. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 20:06, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Great, just missing one thing in the background section. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:28, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

I told you I scrapped that. See top comment in this sub-section. dannymusiceditor ^{Speak up!} 22:25, 27 February 2017 (UTC)

Sorry, I missed that. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2017 (UTC)