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FAQ: infobox

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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Question

Why is the infobox short? Where is the information about belligerents and other information commonly seen in an infobox?

Answer

The Syrian civil war is an ongoing multi-sided conflict in Syria involving various state-sponsored and non-state actors. [From the opening sentence of the lead]

Previously, this article had a very long infobox, which attempted to capture the complex relationships between the many belligerent parties in this civil war and present other information such as strengths and casualties.

An RfC was held proposing a substantially shorter version as we now see (Talk:Syrian civil war/Archive 51#RfC on infobox).

To summarise some key points, an infobox is a simple, at-a-glance summary of key points from the article. It is unsuited to capturing nuance and complex information. Quoting from MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE:

The less information that an infobox contains, the more effectively it serves its purpose, allowing readers to identify key facts at a glance.

The consensus of the RfC was for the substantially shorter version of the infobox.

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Issues

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The whole article needs a rewrite, it for example lists allied forces as bellingerents. And it's locked so that nobody can actually do anything to deal with its problems.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.207.102 (talk) 07:02, 15 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose that just as consensus can change, so can allies change. Feel free to use {{Edit semi-protected}} here to suggest specific edits. – wbm1058 (talk) 01:13, 18 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, needs to be re-written. Starting with the title that reads "CIVIL" war. When foreign forces unlawfully invade and annihilate your country, it is not a civil war. It is a hostile and aggressive attack we call today terror. Calling it a "civil" war is a misleading political statement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.70.29.185 (talk) 09:22, 22 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite common for foreign forces to intervene in a civil war. That doesn't (necessarily) change the internal aspect of the war. — kwami (talk) 08:19, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I would support the notion that this was not a civil war but a proxy war. Mercenaries, foreign or national, fighting a proxy war for foreign powers, paid, armed and guided by those foreign powers, among which the CIA, do not qualify as a local uprising and part of a civil war. Mregelsberger (talk) 17:04, 28 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For the people who are defending USA and NATO, USA with the help of turkey, they posioned syrian civillians by dropping posion gas from airplanes. If that is not a war crime then I do not know what is. 155.4.141.62 (talk) 21:09, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think that even the title - Syrian Civil War - is misleading and should be changed. This is corroborated by people here and by information, that is increasingly available, not least the continuation of the proxy war between the USA and Russia in Ukraine. A proxy war opposing armed gangs managed by foreign powers and a national army is not a civil war, even though it apparently is among national parties. The "conflict in Ukraine" as it is called by the OHCHR[1] is quite similar and is named on Wikipedia as "War in Donbas" described, without further proof as follows: "The war in Donbas, or Donbas war was a phase of the Russo-Ukrainian War in the Donbas region of Ukraine." This could also be said of the war in Syria, which could be named the "War in Syria", a "phase of the proxy war of the USA and Russia, opposing US mercenary groups assisted by US and US ally troupes and the Syrian army with Syrian allies (Russia, Iran, Hezbollah)". The war in Syria actually is not over, with the USA illegally occupying the north-eastern part of the country, i.e. the oil fields of Syria, producing oil on its own account without permission from the national government. Nothing is "civil" there. Wikipedia shouldn't get involved in politics and have only one standard, in this case applied to all conflicts alike, without distinction of who is waging them. Mregelsberger (talk) 10:08, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. There is a sentence in there saying that the Syrian Civil War "...started nine years ago..." This page needs work. Livepsycle (talk) 04:53, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well said. Spiralwhats in your boxCox (talk) 11:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Conflict-related civilian casualties in Ukraine" (PDF). Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights. 27 January 2022. Retrieved 22 November 2023.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

Status of War RFC

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Is the Syrian civil war over? 207.96.32.81 (talk) 00:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No. I'm pretty sure what's happening right now is still civil war material, mostly due to ISIS and the Kurds. Although, my question is, is this the end of this FIRST Syrian civil war, and a new one began? Or is it just a new phase? Zabezt (talk) 00:56, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would say no. There is no end in sight for violence in Syria, especially with the ongoing fight for Manbij, and it remains to be seen if the new government will actually be stable enough not to immediately descend into civil war once again. I’m not sure who edited the article to say it ended today, but I’d wait until a stable government has been established before any drastic changes are made. DarthTFalls12 (talk) 01:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. And I reverted the inaccuracy on the infobox, it's way too early to tell. Zabezt (talk) 01:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As of this comment, the result parameter is used not status parameter for template:Infobox_military_conflict See this edit - [1]207.96.32.81 (talk) 03:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would disagree theres no end in sight, given Assad has fallen there is very much an end in sight if the rebel groups can come to agreement. But I do think its too early to say its over now GothicGolem29 (talk) 01:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. The rebels might start fighting each other so for now its still going GothicGolem29 (talk) 01:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (not a vote): I don't know a whole lot about the war myself, but if it now only involves people from other/outside countries, then wouldn't this technically be no longer a civil war (i.e. "just a war")? — AP 499D25 (talk) 03:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not over YET. Hinga toka (talk) 03:50, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
an important competitor in the Syrian civil war which is rojava does still exist and still fighting in manbaj so it should be ongoing but with adding the information that says Assad regime has fallen or maybe as long nothing is clear for the aftermath of this offensive let's just leave it empty untill something happens 81.215.194.128 (talk) 06:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. The war aim is to overthrow Assad regime since the beginning. It should be declared as over on December 8, 2024. For post-war conflicts, a new article should be created (e.g. Syrian crisis (2011-present)) like Afghanistan conflict and Libyan crisis (2011–present). CobsonEnjoyer (talk) 01:40, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the war aim for each group in a war, is to win the war. the different factions are already fighting to win power from the others. Sm8900 (talk) 02:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No. There is still fighting between HTS and SDF. In any case we shouldn't hurry but rather wait for RS to assert this. Alaexis¿question? 21:04, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait we can’t say for sure yet The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 05:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet Per the title, the scope of the article is civil warring in Syria. While/if internal fighting continues between different factions after the fall of the Assad government, then ipso facto the civil warring continues. The lead tells us that such factional fighting is within the scope of the article. Most crucially though, the civil war is over when good quality sources explicitly tell us it is - noting that WP:NEWSORG sources are qualified as sources (see also WP:RSBREAKING). Cinderella157 (talk) 02:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, there's still fighting between various Islamist forces and Kurdish forces.
Sarrotrkux (talk) 21:16, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Capitalisation of Iraqi civil war

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AHI-3000, in this edit you would recapitalise Iraqi civil war which you added with this edit. Per MOS:CAPS, we only apply capitalisation when this is consistently done in sources. Per this ngram the term is not consistently capped in sources. There is a WP:ONUS to gain WP:CONSENSUS before reinstating a challenged edit. Cinderella157 (talk) 04:35, 11 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AHI-3000, this edit shows that there is no consensus for capitalising this. Cinderella157 (talk) 06:06, 18 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2025

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Please change the map where all the areas except Areas controlled by SDF and SNA are solely controlled by the Syrian Transitional Government. You can see all news. Everyone is telling the civil war is over and that the Transitional government has taken over. Only two conflicts continue, SNA vs SDF and Assadist Insurgency but the main civil war is over. 2409:40D0:200A:52C5:A501:9B46:8B72:1982 (talk) 07:59, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: this is not an edit request. If you want the map changed, then you need to create one or ask someone else to do it for you, upload it to WP:COMMONS and then start an WP:EDITXY edit request. M.Bitton (talk) 15:36, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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