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Information Released

Moriarty has released a review [here]. Neutralaccounting 17:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Notability template

I am restoring the notability template. As I understand it, this film isn't even in production. It has been my experience that while many people believe that a film is not notable until release, the general consensus is that only films that are actually in production are notable. This film will apparently not be in production for almost a full year according to the IMDB entry. Erechtheus 18:21, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

I think it's definatly notable. The film is in preproduction, with production starting in a few months. A lot of people have waited a long time for this film already.--Unopeneddoor 21:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
I also think it's definitely notable. There are only a handful of American screenplay writers which have name recognition and interest in their activities that this author does. Most screenplays written would not be notable- Charlie Kaufman however is almost a brand name. Neutralaccounting 17:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
As described by the Wikipedia essay under the definition section, notability has to do with "whether a subject has achieved sufficient external notice to ensure that it can be covered from a neutral point of view based on verifiable information from reliable sources, without straying into original research." Has the subject met that criteria? I've seen only three unique sources with substantial coverage of the subject. Dancter 20:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Ariel

His second daughter Ariel is retarded? I just saw the film and got no inkling this was the case. Curious as to how the author got that idea. Rockettemorton (talk) 04:32, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Verification needed?

The quote about Catherine Keener WAS verified. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.146.59.114 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 5 October 2006  (UTC)

You'll have to point out the passage in that link that mentions Keener, because I couldn't find it. Dancter 20:28, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Near the end, he takes on the character of Ellen, the cleaning lady, not the role of himself, as is currently stated.   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.40.1.129 (talk) 17:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Madeleine/Madeline Gravis?

There's a discrepancy on the page with these two names (note 2nd par. of plot section v. cast list). I just saw the movie and want to say that the correct name for the therapist is Madeline. But I haven't found specific verification - and IMBD also has her as Madeleine... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jbapowell (talk • contribs) 05:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Official Sony website says Madeleine. –Pomte 01:08, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Capgras delusion

Adele is renting her apartment from a person named Capgras, an apparent reference to Capgras delusion. This should be mentioned in the article. Kylelovesyou (talk) 17:27, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The Last Line of the Movie is "Dying", not "Die"

I've actually seen the movie, and that's what she says. Who keeps changing it back? That's very annoying. -UberMan5000 (talk) 06:33, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

well ive just saw it 5 minutes ago - and its definitely DIE not DYING —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.180.60.53 (talk) 01:18, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Saw it twice this week, and both times it was "Die". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.108.94 (talk) 00:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

I'll have to see it again soon, to confirm the facts. Maybe it was "Dying" in the Canadian release. -UberMan5000 (talk) 07:55, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

"mimetic imitation" is an awkward phrase. "Mimesis" means "imitation" so this phrase is redundant, meaning "imitative imitation"... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.42.104 (talk) 03:03, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately the screenplay doesn't help. It turns out Millicent telling him to die was an idea added afterward.--Loodog (talk) 22:50, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Citations

Neither the introduction nor the plot portions of the article have any citations. Isn't that a prerequisit for this being encyclopedic? Otherwise they're both just what some viewers think about the movie and wrote here. Pirchlogan (talk) 08:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

If what's said in the lead is later elaborated upon and cited in the main article body, then no. If written properly, the plot summary does not require citations either (see WP:FILMPLOT and WP:PSTS). - SoSaysChappy (talk) 14:00, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Best movie of the decade

Says Roger Ebert http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/12/the_best_films_of_the_decade.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.103.34.170 (talk) 20:26, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

The warehouse as synecdoche of everything.

It reminds me of a striving for filling out what can be encapsulated, the work toward an 'Omega point' philosophically, but moreover I see the grant endeavor warehouse from the Mathematical universe hypothesis theory in the spectrum of physics and philosophy. Nagelfar (talk) 23:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Olive

I was researching for photographers and artists and I found this artist Irina Ionesco that photographs mainly her daughter in sexual poses as Adele does with her daughter.. is it just me or Charlie Caufman quotes her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.243.253.113 (talk) 15:13, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Harold Pinter died.

Strange. In the movie Caden notes in the paper that Harold Pinter died, but Harold Pinter didn't die until two months after this movie's release. Nagelfar (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Oh wait, he won the Nobel Prize.--Louiedog (talk) 18:07, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Maria turns German

Anyone else notice how Maria acquired a German accent after moving to Germany?--Louiedog (talk) 18:10, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Mondegreen

There is a sentence: "Adele's name is almost a mondegreen for "a delicate art" (Adele Lack Cotard).". Against that some one had placed an "OR" (Original Research?) template. This I removed since it is clearly not original research. Someone reverted the edit and said that if it was a fact it needed a citation. Even if this were correct, the want of a citation is not the same thing as original research.

Whilst it is true that any editor can, generally speaking, place a 'citation required' template against any fact, it is absurd to do so where the fact is self evident from the text, as is the case here. The only template that could possibly make sense here is 'POV' if you seriously believed that the stated fact was reasonably a matter of interpretation. I have reinstated the removal but would be grateful for comments about the need for any template, here.PRL42 (talk) 17:21, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

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Unexplained reversions

Having twice been reverted by TheOldJacobite while copyediting to help the article conform to our MOS, I figure I should take the matter to the talk page. So why was I reverted? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 02:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Your original edits were made without explanation, so you can hardly complain about lack of explanation for the revert. Furthermore, capitalization changes in piped links are pointless and of no value. So, what are you on about? ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 14:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
50/50 here. I get where Jacobite is coming from, but a lot of the edits made in those C/Es were actually quite good. I think a full revert was unnecessary and that minor cleanup could've aided the revisions, but there are several changes within 142's edits that I would consider improvements. Most obviously is the switch between "theatre" and "theater", which I'm about to restore. Sock (tock talk) 15:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
Point taken. Thanks. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 20:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)

Tammy who?

Apart from naming the actress, this is the only line in the entire article mentioning the character Tammy:

He shows awareness of his anima when replacing himself with Ellen and telling Tammy that his persona would have made him more adept in womanhood than in manhood.

— MaxEnt 07:52, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Baudrillard Simulacra and Borges

The motifs section makes reference to Baurdillard's Simulacra and Simulation. To quote the article: 'A specific analogy that Baudrillard uses is a fable derived from On Exactitude in Science by Jorge Luis Borges. In it, a great Empire created a map that was so detailed it was as large as the Empire itself. The actual map was expanded and destroyed as the Empire itself conquered or lost territory. When the Empire crumbled, all that was left was the map. In Baudrillard's rendition, it is conversely the map that people live in, the simulation of reality where the people of Empire spend their lives ensuring their place in the representation is properly circumscribed and detailed by the map-makers; conversely, it is reality that is crumbling away from disuse.' I think this specific detail is very directly relevant to the plot of the movie. Should specific reference to it be added in the entry in the motifs section, or is this implied simply by mentioning Baudrillard's treatise to begin with? 99.237.8.73 (talk) 03:23, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Having read Simulacra and Simulation there's definitely a lot more stuff to expand on here, notably the idea of the stages of simulacra resulting in a hyperreality where Caden (the real) is replaced. However, this probably counts as original research? If I can find articles and other analyses, could it be added then? Quasi-derivative (talk) 13:13, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
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