Talk:Symi/Archive 1

..."it takes its name from Poseidon's wife, the nymph Syme" Not identifiable. We need a citation if this is to stay. --Wetman 04:57, 20 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Throughout the article the name is rendered as "Simi". This was the spelling at the time of Italian Occupation (1912 - 1947) the accepted modern translation from the Greek is "Symi".

The main town of Symi is split into two distinct communities. The Harbour, known as "Gialos" (or "Yialos") and the Village known as "Chorio" Other centres of population are Pedi and Nimborio —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 80.195.35.180 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 19 September 2006.

I've now fixed the spelling. —Khoi khoi 01:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Monuments The article states "There are two monuments at the main port that date back to the "Classical era" However it does not tell us what these monuments are and where they are to be found and is therefore of little value. The only two monuments I am aware of in Symi's "Port" (which I take to mean Gialos Harbour) are the War Memorial whch stands in front of a carved depiction of a greek trireme and the the Clock Tower. Neither of these stem from Classical times however. If these are the momuments being refered to I would be happy to conribute a more detailed description of them Harani66 11:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the rather vague reference to two momuments from the classical era and put in it's place, the war memorial and the clock tower. I have variously found the clock tower date to be 1880 and 1881 so have put it as "circa 1880 Harani66 11:17, 18 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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A website called www.SymiGreece.com had been linked to from the main page for about a year. A particular user keeps on editing away this link as he feels it is not useful to anyone wanting to know about Symi. Please look for yourself and decide. SymiGreece has over 3000 photos of Symi and over 300 videos of the island. It is regularly updated every day with at least 20 more photos. It also contains the most comnprehensive directory to sites about Symi on the Internet. It is also a COMPLETELY NON-COMMERCIAL site. The link should be reinstated at once.—Preceding unsigned comment added by SymiLover (talk • contribs) 17 August 2007

Just because the link has been there for over a year, doesn't mean that it should be there. It was overlooked. The website is a spam link and is a fansite which according to Wikipedia policy are not allowed. And as wikipedia states it is not a directory of links or images. Just because it has over 3,000 images doesn't justify it being there. It also allows you to advertise your business. ^{El Greco (talk · contribs)} 18:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(This contribution has been added by a different author and is not connected in any way with the above link Symicat (talk) 13:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)) A seperate website, http://www.symivisitor.com is also available. This site offers a further quantity of photographs, information about the island (including weather and ferry timetables), and although the site its self is non-commercial, as with the other site, it does contain links to comercial outlets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Symicat (talk • contribs) 3 September 2009[reply]

SymiGreece is not a business!!! It's a hobby site created by a trio of guys who live on Symi. In the past year it has contained over 25 news articles translated from Greek that are available nowehere else on the net, it has followed the clebrated Symi festival day by day, and provides a facility for people to ask questions of Symi residents and get quick responses. It is NOT spam and it is NOT a fansite...not by any definition of these words. Your interpretation of Wikipedia policy is incorrect and it is also selective as there are links to "fan forums" and "fan sites" on many of the pages that you yourself have either created or contributed to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.203.182.122 (talk • contribs) 17 August 2007

It is certainly a SPAM site and it is also using dubious means to sneak in links to SymiGreece again, vis a vis the reference to Cobi Sanders who has a commercial website linked to theirs, and the spurious electoral roll reference which once again links direct to their website, specifically a defamatory webpage targeting a local newspaper. Domenica2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domenica2 (talk • contribs) 16:02, 25 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cobi Sanders has nothing whatsoever to do with SymiGreece, she is just one of many dozens of people that the site has talked to and photographed over the past year. There is no other source on the web that has even a quarter of the Symi-related news items that SymiGreece.com has, so it is hardly surprising that they will carry information and articles, many of them direct translations from the Greek press, that nobody else carries, and hence be a source of reference for Symi. The item you refer to is not in the least bit defamatory, it is a piece of journalism that made several good points, including the mention of the electoral roll, and which received not a jot of complaint when it was made, as I recall. The only other item I know of that mentions the size of the non-Greek population is the Sean Damer article that I also referenced but the number it quotes is several years out of date. I know from my personal experience of the mayoral election in October 2006 that the figure of 120 was the one touted by both sides in the campaign. If you have a better reference with a better provenance, then post it and I am sure we will all be grateful to you. I do get very tired of the "SymiGreece haters" who see the site as a bad thing simply because it does what it does very well and completely for free. In the year and a half it has existed, it has increased the profile of Symi on the internet to a very great degree. I think, Domenica, you should try giving some evidence to support YOUR defamatory claims before you post them here. It would also be a good idea if you made sure that your information was correct before you started changing articles. Your changes regarding the Symi Festival were just plain incorrect. For the past two years the Festival program has included events in September, though tragedies have led to these being cancelled as a sign of respect; this year the fires that raged in Greece in late August were the reason. ^{Symi Resident (talk · contribs)} 17:14, 1 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To user SymiCat:

I have had to remove, for the second time, your edits here. Wikipedia is not a site for advertising the Symi Visitor or any other site. The link to SymiGreece that you complain about has been there for two years and its inclusion was relevant at the time as part of a discussion that was ongoing then. The user "El Greco" who monitors the Symi Wiki link was happy to leave it, and so should you be. There is no reason for a link here to the Symi Visitor at the moment except for commercial gain, however you are entitled to comment. The reason I have removed your edit twice is because of where you have placed it. The link does not belong inserted after someone else's unsigned comment and in the middle of a pre-existing discussion. It makes you appear the author of the comment that you place yours after and it also breaks the flow of the previous discussion. You have already been warned about vandalism to the page and the editing of other people's comments. If you want to include your text, then do so, but put it at the end of the talk and not insert it in the middle. After this is done, the administrators can decide on whether it should stay, not me.

I shall also point out that links such as the one above to SymiGreece.com do NOT count when it applies to search engines, in case this is what you are bothered about. This is a policy of Wikipedia and applies to all pages such as these.

--Symiakos (talk) 10:27, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We have no interest in search engine counts, and know nothing about them. You say that "Wikipedia is not a site for advertising the Symi Visitor or any other site." We (we are not one person) agree on this. Therefore, if SymiGreece is linked, to allow readers an unbiased and full overview of our island, so should SymiVisitor be (SymiVisitor has, after all, been offering free advice to visitors for far longer). We are glad that you say that you will allow this text to remain (are you an administrator? Sorry, we're new to Wikipedia editing and apologise if we have transgressed). If you are not happy with the placement of it, then perhaps you would be so kind as to place it where you feel it belongs. But if the link to SymiVisitor is inappropriate, then so is that to SymiGreece. Symicat (talk) 13:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SymiGreece.com was mentioned as part of a discussion on the main Symi page at the time by the user SymiLover. It was pertinent to mention it and I see no reason to disbelieve that user's claim that it had nothing to do with advertisement. Just because one Symi-related site is mentioned on this page, doesn't mean that they all need to be out of "fairness"! This talk page is not here to provide people with a series of links to Symi sites. Obviously, though, you seem to consider it important to include it. Given your efforts over the past few days to delete any reference to SymiGreece, your motives appear quite unclear.--Symiakos (talk) 14:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest that if the editors involved here cannot reach consensus on this matter after civil conversation, it might be appropriate to neutrally invite feedback from experienced, uninvolved contributors at the reliable sources noticeboard or Wikipedia talk:External links. There are, of course, other options in dispute resolution, but one of these seems like a good forum for attracting informed opinions. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 14:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have said all I need to on this matter. Users are free to comment, and I hope that any future edits by Symicat will be civil and within Wikipedia guidelines. Wikipedia is a superb resource and we should all be grateful it exists and allows users free-rein within boundaries.--Symiakos (talk) 15:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hopefully the matter will rest here.Symicat (talk) 15:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A final thought: Symiakos, may I suggest that all the spurious argument be removed? It does little to the benefit of Symi. I propose that the links to the two websites remain, with the extant brief comments,and that the rest, from the line ==Link== goes.Symicat (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC) Symicat (talk) 15:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't consider any of the arguments I made to be spurious. I simply stated my opinion that your edits were unwarranted and I feel this opinion should remain so long as any of your edits remain. This page was unmolested for two years until your recent edits and if you are now regretting these, I would find a reversion to how this page looked for the two years before last week to be beneficial. This would require each of us to undo our all own edits (including this one) and also for the user Moonriddengirl to agree to remove her own addition. If you accept this, then please remove ALL your edits and I shall do likewise. You should also remove the comments you have made accusing SymiGreece of libel and worse from other pages.--Symiakos (talk) 16:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just wanted to note that we generally do not delete talk page conversations, but instead (if they are no longer needed) archive them. Talk pages serve as records of previous discussions. See Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines. If a conversation is complete and there are some reasons--such as privacy concerns--that mandate it, the section can be "hidden" from view by collapsing it. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy for that to happen. As mentioned, I do not think that these arguments (and please let's not get into whose fault they are, not here) give a good impression of Symi. Symiakos, I am happy for you to archive the page as Moonriddengirl has suggested, and I trust you to be fair about how you do this. The only future changes I intend to make will be to post some up-to-date photos of Symi. I know you have some good shots of your own, so why not do the same?Symicat (talk) 17:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer the article to remain visible rather than be hidden, seeing as it is not acceptable to revert it back a week. I dislike your attempts to appease here while you leave defamatory comments about SymiGreece and its editors elsewhere on Wikipedia. A full apology from you for what you have said here and elsewhere to those concerned is required, I believe. Please do not act like you know me, you do not.--Symiakos (talk) 17:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What would be archived is the talk page, not the article. If there is consensus to do so, I'll be happy to enact it. See Help:Archiving a talk page. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 18:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You have my consent. Symicat (talk) 18:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I would rather not archive this Talk Page while SymiCat leaves his defamatory comments about SymiGreece and its editors elsewhere on Wikipedia. Archiving of this Talk Page will make it more difficult to appreciate the context in which he made those comments should anyone read them, as they refer explicitly to this Talk page. SymiCat has abused Wikipedia, accusing people of libel and worse and it is simple not good enough for him to expect these accusations to remain. Wikipedia is not his soapbox to stand on and throw these sort of accusations about. Those accusations need to be removed in their entirety from Wikipedia, and he should do so very quickly indeed.--Symiakos (talk) 18:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't feel this conversation is concluded, then certainly it can be permitted to remain. --Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 19:01, 3 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]