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Black Comedy?

Sometimes film critics and reviewers do make a bit strange choices concerning the definition of a movie genre, but I can't imagine a world where this movie could be called a comedy, either black or any other sort. There's not a single comical moment in Burton's Sweeney Todd. A black comedy is basically a genre of cruel jokes, comical situations with grim background. It's surreal, all right, but there are no jokes in this movie. It's a pure musical thriller or even slasher. I suggest removing the words "black comedy" from the article. 94.77.130.12 (talk) 19:18, 29 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

No comedy? How about the songs "Pirelli's Miracle Elixir" and "A Little Priest"... there are certainly jokes in those songs. Even the subdued, shortened version of "A Little Priest" that's used in the movie is hilarious; it's full of jokes. 71.38.117.4 (talk) 02:25, 17 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To-do list per Peer Review

Going through the various reviews etc there are a few outstanding issues we still have to address, so I've listed them below. EyeSerene^talk 09:33, 5 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Further plot reduction, if possible?

Check for overlinking (we only need links that are relevant to context, and then only on the first instance). There's some work to do here :P

Get hold of "Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (ISBN 1845767047)" and check for any extra info we can include from the book.

Add a sound clip of Depp + HBC

Check citations for consistent formatting

Check sources for reliability, specifically:

Wikiquote DOES NOT have a collection of quotations related to: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (film) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.200.141.242 (talk) 08:54, 18 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Citation for the "1846" setting?

I've been cleaning up a lot of the character info boxes for characters in Sweeney Todd (not just specific to the film version) because someone had gone through and added specific birth dates that did not match the story. I just noticed that the plot description in this article said it was set in 1846, which does not make any sense. The original story (which was written in 1846, perhaps this is the cause of confusion) was set in 1785. The musical stage adaptations have had a variety of settings, including modern times, but traditionally the story has always been said to occur in the late 18th century, and Burton's film appears to match this as well. The clothing styles are somewhat jumbled, but most of it seems to be late 18th century with a few anachronistic exceptions. The film has a child being executed for petty theft, which was ended in 1808, and execution of children in general was very rare by the mid 19th century. I've removed the 1846 date, but if there is a cite that the film version is supposed to be set in a specific year it should be provided.

12.40.5.69 (talk) 00:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sondheim's Mistake...Should it be mentioned?

In the movie, death occurred within seconds of Sweeney's victim's throats beging slit. However, even in cutting both the cartoid and jugulars, unconsciousness occurs within ten to forty seconds, and death happens almost a minute later. This varies on a variety of factors, such as heart rate, depth of the cut, and how quickly the cut bleeds out. You must remember, the human body contains approxamately 5 quarts of blood. Should this be mentioned in the article?Latte freak (talk) 22:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No. It should be mentioned only if it was a concern of a critic or someone involved with the film and it is sourced. Films have plot "holes" but as they are works of fiction, they don't necessarily need to work under the laws of nature. BOVINEBOY 2008 :) 22:36, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know this is years after the original posting but for reference anyway: I do believe it was the smashing of the skull on the floor, after falling through the trapdoor, that kills the victims - thus how the judge doesn't die straight away because there are several bodies already there that haven't been ground up yet; indeed, in one version of Sweeney Todd (though I can't honesty say I recall which one) their throats aren't even slit; they're just dropped down the trapdoor. Lordloss210 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.175.97.87 (talk) 10:28, 11 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: Page moved. Ucucha 05:18, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (film) → Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (2007 film) — The title is shared with at least one other film, Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (1936 film), thus it should be disambiguated per WP:NCF. BOVINEBOY 2008 :) 02:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

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Support The proposer is indeed correct.--Labattblueboy (talk) 07:31, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the naming conventions. Already disambiguated, but disambiguation should be fine-tuned to differentiate from the other film. Erik (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support Per nom - further disambig is needed. Lugnuts (talk) 14:29, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 14:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support two films, one title, both should have year film disambig, not just film. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:42, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Per nom and above and potentially snowball. —Mike Allen 00:22, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Question: Is it proposed that Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (film) redirect to a specific one of the two films or that it become a disambiguation page? Big Bird (talk • contribs) 14:34, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would think that it should either become a disambiguation page or be redirected to Sweeney Todd (disambiguation). BOVINEBOY 2008 :) 14:50, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend redirecting to Sweeney Todd (disambiguation). One disambiguation page for the related terms is enough. Erik (talk) 15:20, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

We should also make sure that articles that link to Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (film) are corrected to point to the specific film, depending on which film the link was intended for. Erik (talk) 15:23, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That shouldn't be a problem. I can do it once its moved. BOVINEBOY 2008 :) 00:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Black Comedy?

To-do list per Peer Review

Citation for the "1846" setting?

Sondheim's Mistake...Should it be mentioned?

Requested move

Survey

Discussion

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