Talk:Swati tribe/Archive 3

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Vandalism

Please protect this page due to regular vandalism. Azmarai76 (talk) 19:32, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

AsadUK200 is constantly vandalizing this page and other tribes from Hazara. He seems to be enjoying it we have had enough of him. Azmarai76 (talk) 14:32, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Swatis are the biggest land owning group of Mansehra and Battagram districts. Every historian has gotten his on view regarding the origin of the Swatis but the Swatis relate their pedigree to Qais Abdur-Rasheed Baba.

In the times of Mohammad Ghuri they came to Swat from Shalman in Afghanistan and defeated the Hindus to establish their rule in that valley. Sir Denzil Ibbitson is of the opinion that the original Swatis were a race of Hindu origin that once ruled the whole country into the hills of Swat and Buneer. Later on the Yousafzais expelled them from those places and drove them east and west into Mansehra and Kafristan.

The copied version of Hazara Gazetteer from Dr. Sher Bahadur Khan Pani says almost the same as far as the defeat of Swatis at hands of Yousafzais is concerned however it suggests that the Swatis are Tajiks or Tajikgeeri Moghuls. It further states that since Swatis are not Afghans and it's just that they have Afghan culture, habits and language owing to their long time affinities with Afghans.

According to a Swati tradition they ruled Swat and Bajaor for four centuries before the Yousafzais invasion that drove them to Mansehra about the end of the 17th century. The Swatis came to Mansehra, under the command of Syed Jalal Baba when the Turks ruled this territory. They ousted the Turks and captured all the hills and plains. Jalal Baba divided the whole country among the lashkar except one fourth of it, which he kept for himself.

As per another tradition of Swatis they are Yousafzais and came to Mansehra from Swat to avenge the humility their nephew Syed Jala Baba had faced at the hands of Turk soldiers. Since they came from Swat, therefore, are called Swatis.

In short Swatis of Mansehra are heterogeneous group of people and include Yousafzais, Old Swatis (The rulers of Swat) and other Afghan tribes. Syed Jalal Baba was the grand son of Pir Baba of Swat who had following in all the tribes of Swat. Moreover, Pir Baba married Bibi Maryam who happened to be a sister of a local Yousafzai Khan, Malik Dolat Khan. Therefore, there are very bright chances that lashkar of Syed Jalal Baba comprised his uncles (Yousafzais) and followers (Old Swatis).

Swatis are divided into three great clans, Ghebri, Mamiali and Mitravi of which the first claim to be Tajik, the Mamiali Yousafzai, and the Mitravi claims to be of Durrani origin. But, it's very difficult to recognize and segregate the tribes of Swatis on basis of blood except for Jahangeeris (Khans of Mansehra town) who are considered to be Old Swatis of Swat by the other Swati tribes.

The Ghebri a section of upper Pakhli occupy Kaghan, Balakot, Ghari Habibullah, Mansehra, Dhodial, Shinkiari, Batagram, Thakot and Konsh while the Mamiali and Mitravi dwell in Bherkund, Agror, Takri and Deshi. While, Allai has mosaic population from all the tribes. These groups have been further divided into many subsections and Khels. Swatis are bilinguals and can speak Hindko in addition to their mother tongue Pushto. They observe the Pathan code of honor Pukhtoonwali very strictly and call it Swatiwali. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.77.211.137 (talk) 16:40, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

The only person vandalizing this page is a Bakery Owner self assumed scholar who works through three aliases. We have traced him and know exactly what he is doing against Swatis. I think he was either sodomized by a Swati in his childhood or his daughter had an affair with someone from this tribe. If it is vandalized next time he will find his reality written on the walls. Azmarai76 (talk) 06:07, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Swati is a pashtun tribe but some one has edited it as non pashtun which shows their enmity with Swatis and has quoted unauthentic book and self made literal meaninings. Swati is a pashtun tribe and speaks pashto from the beginning and not pahatunized as claimed by some anti Pukhtun and anti pakistani who are just kidding. Ajmal Khan Swati (talk) 01:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Malicious Vandalism by a User using three IDs

The only person vandalizing this page is a Bakery Owner self assumed scholar who works through three aliases. We have traced him and know exactly what he is doing against Swatis. I think he was either sodomized by a Swati in his childhood or his daughter had an affair with someone from this tribe. If it is vandalized next time he will find his reality written on the walls. Azmarai76 (talk) 06:19, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

The person who is doing this work has enmityvwith Swatis and all pukhtuns as he has some beneifts from anti Pukhtuns. His job is to divide pukhtuns. Ajmal Khan Swati (talk) 01:25, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

This is one person who has self interests from Tajikistan and making new dramas every day against many pukhtun tribes and publishing unauthentic history Ajmal Khan Swati (talk) 01:27, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

no need to mention Pashtunized

According to Pashtun genealogies Swatis are properly mentioned in Bettani Tribal confederation, so there is no need to mention them like pashtunised ! Haider khan10 (talk) 23:20, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Majority of them speak Pashto only, areas like Agror, eastern slopes of Black Mountain, famous town of batal and Baffa, Shinkiari, upper konsh like chatar plain, the whole of battagram distt up to the extreme hills of Allai and adjacent kohistan, all around valleys and mountains...while people living in Mansehra town, Balakot and Kagan etx speak hindko and pashto also ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haider khan10 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Where brother according to no Pashtun genealogy Swatis have been mentioned as Bettanis or Afghans. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:17, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

It's not the only one the whole Bhittanis and Mattu tribes are pashtunized same is the case with Aifaals, Mishwanis, Burkis, Haanis and even Ghorghusts. I guess you think it's a derogatory term but it's not and I am sure now you want to leave behind a beautiful history of this tribe which has been recorded since very earlier times. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:57, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

According to your sir denzil ibbeston the Swatis are often wrongly confused with the Dehgan !!!! dear no need to mix them up with any other tribe. Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 20:42, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Mr Abdali would you pls see Pashtun Tribes only and will produce more if you are not satisfied !! stop personnel gudges with this tribe and leave !!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Haider khan10 (talk • contribs) 20:52, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Bettani and matu all are pashtuns not afghans but for you i know you are an afghan!!! so do you have courage to take out all rulliing pashtun tribes Ghalji Lodhi Suri Ghori Swatis out of genealogy of Pashutns even if it is myth ! Regards Mr Azmarai Abdali Haider khan10 (talk) 21:01, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

now stop personnel vendetta against my tribe !! Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 21:04, 8 August 2020 (UTC)

Courage son Lodhis, Suris and others you are mentioning aren't same as Swatis. It's not about courage you seem to have some misunderstanding. Swatis aren't Bettanis nor such relationship has been shown ever in any official source. I suggest you read some books not those that try to rub off the lines but these terms. Earlier also your people would come and claim to be even Yusufzais on this page. Decide yourself if you are Yusufzais Bettanis or something else as Pashtun and Afghan genealogy don't record you as you claim. I don't have vendetta against anyone rather I have been stopping other editors to stop changing even the title of the page from Pashtun to non Pashtun tribe. I again suggest if you want I will again forward this request to the board of scholars and you can present your case of being Bettani. I don't mind rather would try to help you out. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:12, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

If you want to go by Denzil Ibettson he simply thinks they aren't even Dehqan but and Indian or Indic race. Do you want to go by his opinion I don't mind but then agree to his notion of the tribe being Indian. You can't take a portion from one place and a portion from other. Secondly I amnot Abdali but Popalzai. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:16, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

you grandson .. try to be some realistic, its not your home made tribes trying to see them from your scale ... mr abdali why they are not as same as Suris ghoris lodhis marwats ghaljis and others..your ibbeston mentioned all these tribes as pashtuns and if not then there was no need to write on them and numbered them in Pashtuns list !!!! just go and google you will find swatis in bitani ghalji tribal tree and if yes then stop wasting my time you abdali pashtun ... ka ta ma namany .. za ta namanam !!!! Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 10:51, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

what made abdalis pashtuns whereas they still speak persian language .... just stop defaming my tribe, i have saved materiel also which were posted from you in the main article about Swatis, those were so regretful..so just stop and leave you abdali !!!!! Haider khan10 (talk) 10:58, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Are you okay.... why is an answer you should ask your own elders that why they haven't been recorded for me straight from Dorn B.to The Pathans in 1950s you guys have been mentioned as non Pahtuns non Afghans. Do want to roll that back all over internet??? as no tribe accepts you Pashtun or Afghans. It's not my fault if Swatis aren't Pashtuns so why are you fighting??? Azmarai76 (talk) 10:59, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

i m not afghan but Pashtun only ...Swatis are Pashtuns but not afghans .. do you know who abdalis really were !!!! for now i m just conceterating on your previous paragraphs written on swatis by you on main article Haider khan10 (talk) 11:03, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Bro I found this is in bad shape with people coming in like you and changing it to Swatis Yusufzais and Bettanis and progeny of Qais Abdur Rasheed. Nothing was supported and that immature edit war led to only the lines Swatis are indigenous ( indian) tribe by the editorial board here after which I picked the issue with some senior editors and started building this page up to the shape you see it today in. Pashtuns like I told you are Karlanris but we fought to at least keep the title of this page a Pashtun tribe due to the fact this tribe speaks Pashto. I guess we should have even omitted Pashtun tribe from the title to avoid edit wars and left it as indigenous indian tribe. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:30, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

For your derogatory remarks on Durranis being speaking Persian is childish there are Gujjars and Sheikh Mohammadis speaking Pashto as their first language does that make them Pashtuns???? Azmarai76 (talk) 11:42, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

If you want I will make it to what Denzil Ibettson has written about you guys. Do you really ??? Azmarai76 (talk) 11:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

derogatory remarks for Abdalis no never, i just mentioned them as persian speaking people and thats a fact even it was in Ahmad shah abdil's time when he was in command, the main language of the country was the great persian not the great pashtu, he had a great chance to promote Pashto at that time but he couldn't .. Mr azmarai Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 20:30, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Lodhis Ghoris Suris Khiljis Swatis are in bitani tribal tree and you can't defined them at your own will, you will have to delete them all from the pashtun genealogy tree all of them or stop using derogatory remarks against any of them. One of more thing that if you omit all these tribes bitani or ghorgasht, you will have nothing in great Pashtun history because all of them were ruling tribes of Pashtuns or may you will have just a recent past history of Ahmed Shah baba of 18th century....Azmarai sab Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 20:38, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

you are wrong about gujjar brothers and others, gujjars have their own first mother language is called Gujri and for sheiks they are living almost all over in Pakistan and speak their areas dominating language like in sind they speak sindhi etc mr abdali sab .. Haider khan10 (talk) 20:44, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Swatis are Pashtuns but not afghans ... are you rohilla, sulemani, Khurasani or Pathan !!!!! you have half of dozen names mr ... Haider khan10 (talk) 20:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

According to Khan Roshan Khan in his book Tazkara meintioned Batani as the second largest Pashtuns tribe and took some names of the sub tribes like Lodhis Suris Swatis and Khiljis of batani confeferation... Abdali sab ka ta ma namany ... qasam khrum che za ba ta hiiis kala namanam ! Regards: Haider khan10 (talk) 21:02, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Khan Roshan Khan that book written only in 1970 ??? So you have become Bettani since 1970???. Please before changing the content of the paragraph do talk here. I had asked for a source dating back to the time when we these tribes came in lime light made a Confederate as Afghan plus Pashtun tribe??? I am sure you want to become Bettani ok please mention the name of the Bettani subtribe you come from??? Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 03:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Swatis are never regarded as Pashtuns which they really aren't I told you what's been written about them. Ruling tribe of Pashtuns no sorry they have never. Ghoris are Tajiks, Suris are from the House of Suren again not Pashtuns. But your disruptive editing is just making yourself weak and your tribe a bad name. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 03:33, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

its really dificult to meke you understand because you are non pashtun even cant speak pashto so what left for you is just a pathan....i don't need a non pashtun certificate to be a pashtun, i m a pashtun by huge land owner in Khyber Pashtun Khwa and can read and write my language Pashto....i have lot more references to show you of bitani tree but for now it's much engough for people like you who is non pashtun....Ghoris suris ghaljis lodhis swatis all are pashtuns and all of them are form bitani tribal tree.....if karlani was an adopted son then why they would be considered pashtun because no blood line, according to your folklores !!!! Pashtun is Pashtun by its language customs and tradition mr azmarai abdali sab. Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 09:18, 10 August 2020

why would you cosider ghaljis as pashtuns whereas ther father was a turk prince and his wife was the dughter of Bitan baba, thats what you believe in ... i do believe that Ghaljis are the greatest of all Pashtun tribe even if they were of turko-tajik blood !!!! mr ? Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 09:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Are you really sum up all that you are saying so you have yourself come to turko-tajik thing. Isn't it ??? Azmarai76 (talk) 09:28, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Again what about Sheikh Mohammadis and Gujjars who now speak Pashto and live side by side with Pashtuns are they also Pashtuns???? Azmarai76 (talk) 09:29, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Gujjars have their own mother language called Gojri and othere have their mother language and what do you mean to mention name Muhammadi here, don't use it ... azmarai !!!! Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 09:58, 10 August 2020 (UTC) whereas they never claimed themselves as Pashtuns but far better than people like you who claimed to be pashtun but cant speak a single world of pashto but masters in english now smile ... Haider khan10 (talk) 10:20, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

what a foolish claim that you are pashtun, even you don't know a single word of my great language azmarai ........ Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 10:00, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

My friend you seem to have no idea of what you are saying seems like you love Gujjars and even at times some of you liked to be called so. It's not about me here it about Swatis tribe I have told you give me a reference and I will write them Bettanis as you claim. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:06, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Bro... sheikh Mohammadi is a tribe in Afghanistan Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:07, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

My sources aren't books that people keep writing to their benefits as If they are fighting a case from the scratch to categorize this tribe a Pashtuns. These are as following and verifiable online:-

1. Hazara Gazetteer 1883 and 1907 2. Imperial Gazetteer of India (1 and 2 both official documents) 3. Tribes of Hindukush (John Biddulph 1880) 4. Notes on Afghanistan (Maj. Raverty) 5. History of Afghans by Dorn B. 6. The Pathans by Olaf Caroe. 1950...1952 7. Kindgom of Cauble Elphistone. 8. Hayat e Afghan by Hayat Khan. 9. Khursheed e Jahan by Sher Muhammad Gandapur. 10. An inquiry into Ethnography of Afghanistan.

These are all printed by "publishers" and not by "printers" like the other Haider Khan 10 is presenting to build up his case of the tribe being Pashtun or Afghan.

Late in 1960s some of these communities did try to generate content to prove they are Afghans or Pashtuns all printed by "printers" and poorly sourced. Same is the case with this tribe.

The editors Haider Khan 10 couldn't even answer my simple question if this tribe is:-

1. Sarbarni 2. Karlanri 3. Ghorghusts 4. Bettanis ( he did try to make an edit to call Swatis as Bettani tribe without any idea which Bettanis subsection they are from????

He doesn't believe in fables as he always keep saying but trying to descend from these fables himself. (Strange isn't it)???.

Swatis are Pashtunized Tajiks of an old race once known "Dehqans" that's they name they have been joining the British Army and that Military paper is still valid for official purposes to date. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 02:42, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Swati are pashtuns and those who are calling them Tajik are agents of Tajikistan and anti pukhtun anf anti Pakistani. There is a person who is behind these dramas of Tajik and also critisizing other pashtun tribes and changing thier identities. Ajmal Khan Swati (talk) 01:32, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

KhanKhel

KhanKhel is a sub-clan of Yousafzai tribe, they are migrated from Swat valley , some khankhel called themselves swati, because they come from swat and now better known as swati, but it belongs to a clane of yousafzai Located in the Hazara region of the Khyber-Pukhtunkhwa, and Kalabat Swabi , Hoti mardan área of Pukhtunkhwa, KhanKhelYousafzai (talk) 13:07, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Every Pashtun tribe has Khan Khel, similarly many branches of Swati tribe have the same name !! Regards Haider Khan Haider khan10 (talk) 19:57, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 August 2021

Swati is non pashtun tribe why dont you accept it there is nothing wrong with it but at least accept who you are. Ikl1122 (talk) 06:08, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 08:45, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2021

KhanKhelYousafzai (talk) 10:53, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:00, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

KhanKhel there is no reliable source is a clan or subtribe of Swatis tribe, KhanKhel have same root the become migrated from swat and few peoples calling himself KhanKhel Swati,that's peoples no have knowledge they are basically Yousafzai Sub-tribe of Yousafzai,✔Khan Khel

They belonged originally to the Yousufzai sub-tribe, but in Mansehra area of Hazara region KhanKhel the Khel is known as a Swati tribe, because of their invaded from Swat, KhanKhelYousafzai (talk) 05:49, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

They aren't Yusufzais but Qureshis Azmarai76 (talk) 20:06, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

Jahangiri

Jahangiri

The Jahangiris are a subsection or clan of the Gabri Section of Swatis, inhabiting Pakistan. They have further ten ramifications: Aman Shahis (امان شاہی), Balaaris (بالاری), Edlahis (ادلاہی), Yusufdinis (یوسف دینی), Hassanis (حسنی), Khazanis(خزانی), Isp Alikhels (ایسپ علیخیل), Bazwenis (بزوینی), Alikhels (علیخیل) and Hasabdinis (حسب دینی). The majority of this tribe live around Mansehra with considerable population in Siran Valley also. Jahngiris, 'as a rule', have forgotten Pushto and speak Hindko as their fisrt language, but some have still retained Pushto. When Babur invaded Bajaur in 1518, the defender was a Jahangirian Sultan named Mir Haider Ali Gabri. After their defeat against Zaheeruddin Babar and Yusufzais, Jahangiris moved to Manshera and Battagram districts. This tribe has been recorded to have collective land holding: (1) nimakai in areas of Mansehra and Bhogarmang Siran Valley.. Their mother tongue was Gabri variant of Persian and Dari when they were in Swat. 103.255.7.53 (talk) 19:55, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Jahangiri

Jahangiri

The Jahangiris are a subsection or clan of the Gabri Section of Swatis, inhabiting Pakistan. They have further ten ramifications: Aman Shahis (امان شاہی), Balaaris (بالاری), Edlahis (ادلاہی), Yusufdinis (یوسف دینی), Hassanis (حسنی), Khazanis(خزانی), Isp Alikhels (ایسپ علیخیل), Bazwenis (بزوینی), Alikhels (علیخیل) and Hasabdinis (حسب دینی). The majority of this tribe live around Mansehra with considerable population in Siran Valley also. Jahngiris, 'as a rule', have forgotten Pushto and speak Hindko as their fisrt language, but some have still retained Pushto. When Babur invaded Bajaur in 1518, the defender was a Jahangirian Sultan named Mir Haider Ali Gabri. After their defeat against Zaheeruddin Babar and Yusufzais, Jahangiris moved to Manshera and Battagram districts. This tribe has been recorded to have collective land holding: (1) nimakai in areas of Mansehra and Bhogarmang Siran Valley.. Their mother tongue was Gabri variant of Persian and Dari when they were in Swat. 103.255.7.53 (talk) 19:56, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

swati pashtuns

don't you have books like tazkara of Roshan Khan or Swati pakhtuns by Fazal Mehmood Khan !!!! thats not my mistake or let me send you a copy but thats in pashto and you are unable to read it so keep calm brother abdali .... Regards Haider khan10 (talk) 10:13, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

in hazara gazetteer the topic was other pashtuns and under it swatis are mentioned !!! tell me one thing are you abdali or durrani??? take care Haider khan10 (talk) 10:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

keep in touch i will send you some other resources also to feel you comfortable about Great Swatis .. take care azmarai by the way may i know your name to call ?? Haider khan10 (talk) 10:17, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Abdul Ghani khan, a Pashto poet and philosopher (late) share the opinion. He considers the Pashtuns as a mixture of many races that came through their areas from central Asia. Suddum (mardan) , Khyber (Peshawar) and elum (swat) are the places, which resemble in names those of bani Israel. Mir afzal khan Jadoon is of the opinion that the features as well as the habits of the Pashtuns resemble those of the Jews. Apart from the clans of Karlanr and mati, Jadoons, Tanolis and Swatis are similar to the Jews in their dwelling and clothes. I hope, you would have heard about this. What would you say if we see Pashtuns from the theory of Henry Walter Bellew (1834-92), who had already connected Pashtuns from Rajputs? What were their crendentials for Pashtuns? What would be the case or to adjust Pashtuns if we had to believe in that theory or majortiy of tribes if the situation was otherwise? Pathan, Rohilla, Sulemani, Khurasani, Afghani are the names which we have been awarded already, but dejectedly to find Pashto speaking Pashtuns! They were here just to made distinction among great Pashtun tribes for their own incentives/targets/goals, they knew they couldn't subdue them ever, so let them divide and rule. A pashto proverb "Mula che sa wai hagha kawa - Che sa kai hagha ma kawa". Another one also, "Wai Cha Akhpala - Biya Gila Sala". I hope you must be a Pashtun, not Pathan. ~Thanks~ azmarai sab Haider khan10 (talk) 10:22, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I have sent you a link to Hazara Gazetteer, An inquiry into Ethonography of Afghanistan and Notes on Afghanistan and Baluchistan. Do tell me which Bettanis are you. Butt Sahib Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 10:48, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Btw ... for your knowledge Pathan hasn't been derived out of Bathaan as written by some local writer. There's ulaaswali in Nangrahaar called Dandi Pataan. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 11:26, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Whats your mother tongue? Haider khan (talk) 09:29, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Kala kala adab pa dubb izda kegi !! Haider khan (talk) 09:30, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Swati Pashtun

this man is continously defaming a pashtun tribe SWATI, he is editing wikipedia with a fake name Azmarai, coward so called pathan without my great language pashto, cant speak pashto and still not interested promote it ... Haider khan10 (talk) 21:40, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

how much time gone, when these lineal trees have been explored or written, just in 17th century by Niamatulla Hirvi, in his book "Tareekh e Khan Jahani - Maghzan e Afghani", who himself was far far away from the land of Pashtuns. Infact Pashtuns were every where in Pashtun Khwa from the thousand of years that's why Herodotus mentions them as Pactyans, Righved as Pakat and Persian Osta as Bagad..... Haider khan10 (talk) 22:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Now another point, how could one adopted son can take place of a real son, and their offsprings will trace their ancestor to Qais Abdul Rashid Baba? According to folklores, fables, an infant was found and adopted might be of some another race but defenitely not Pashtun ! Great Karalanis are more Pashtunic as compare to other Pashtun tribes, what makes you so confident about to accept Karlanis in that lineal tree ? Kindly don't see these great Pashtun tribes on behalf of your own likings and dislikings. Here is a Pashto proverb " che ta sok na manay - ta ba hum sok na mani " Haider khan10 (talk) 22:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

I am making no personal attacks this is my name. You were calling Qais a folklore yourself then you switched to Bettanis now Bettanis are know to have following branches Tattha, Wraspoon and Dhana. Please reference is needed to which of these three clans are Swatis from??? Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 09:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I told you before it's not what you want to be Sarbanis, Karlanris, Bettanis and Ghorghusts lived together to form what you call Pashtuns. Swatis weren't part of their council as they have been recorded as having enimity with Khashikhel Yusufzai Sarbarnis, that's why they were never regarded as Pushtuns by others as they never served the common cause in Afghanistan. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 09:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Now you say they are Bettanis okay which Bettanis are they please mention one these three Tattha, Wraspoon and Dhana??? Which one?? Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 09:59, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Swati are pashtun tribe write a correct information Hadeed Khan jahangiri (talk) 20:38, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

These are just four tribal groups not four brothers, try to correct yourself !!!! Haider khan (talk) 09:36, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Swati (Pashtun Tribe)

Dear admin, Please correct the initial details of Swati tribe as a Pashtun tribe of Bettani origin. Someone has edited it wrongly due to enmity with this large pashtun tribe and their personal interests from others. You can search authentic history regarding the origin like Pukhtana da Tarikh pa ranna k (by Bahadar Shah Kakakhel), Tahqeeq ul Afghan (by Samiullah Jan), Tazkira Khan Roshan Khan, Swati Pukhtoon (by Fazal Mehmood Khan) etc. Some so called historians are busy in dividing pashtuns by giving them various origins and some are even pretending DNA of other people to target the original people of a specific tribe. Thanks Ajmal Khan Swati (talk) 23:46, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

True and appreciated.. 119.160.119.96 (talk) 21:50, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Are you both Pashtuns or Carpenters and tenants of Khanbahadur Sultanant Khan??? Where did you come in from Azmarai76 (talk) 20:16, 11 December 2021 (UTC)

@Azmarai76 Why are you so against of Swati tribe..on the other hand you dont even know a single pushto word but claimed pashtun !!!!! Haider khan (talk) 13:18, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

Chief Of Swatis

Kindly Revert that edits , Chief of Swatis page should be separate because Chief of Swatis were not of Swati caste and Everybody knows it here in Mansehra and Chief himself accept That's why Their separate page was made to avoid vandalism Huzaifaswati50 (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2023 (UTC)

Origins

Hi

Seems like this page has become warring ground between wanna be Pashtuns like Haider Khan and funds seeking NGO guys and their minions. Swatis aren't Pashtuns or Dards. If we keep removing the lines for political and financial motives Wikipedia would just end up misleading. Swatis have glorious past and still are powerful so every group want to claim them but the fact their language was Gabari already defined https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrian_Dari_language at Wikipedia and the definition to Dehgan or Dehqan as given at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehqan page. Secondly, Afghans never lived in cities and were considered to be villagers and semi nomadic till recent past themselves so they were called village dwellers by Dehgans and not vice versa. Regards Azmarai76 (talk) 08:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

You left a copy of the above on my talk page, and I replied at User_talk:Azmarai76#Neutral_point_of_view. I see that your edits have now been reverted by another editor, because you removed several citations which appear valid.

Do not focus on other editors' motivations. Focus instead on presenting a WP:Neutral point of view based on WP:Reliable sources. If information is missing, then add more info and citations, without removing existing information (unless the latter lacks reliable sources). – Fayenatic London 11:54, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes brother I know these NGO guys and their ways to make foriegners believe what they say. Azmarai76 (talk) 12:17, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

wish he had presented the valid and nuetral point of view I would never change it. While you don't have any answer to question of genetic difference between Swatis and Dards. BTW, genetics is key to determination of race in this society.

Azmarai76 (talk) 12:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

please just cite some reliable sources for your claims. It is simple as that. Referring to some hypothetical genetic research isn't really helpful. Sutyarashi (talk) 15:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london can you please look into this matter and check whether the random citation tags Azmarai76 has been repeatedly adding after every reference in the article are even valid? Sutyarashi (talk) 15:29, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

my friends calling genetics "hypothetical" reveals what I am dealing with.

Azmarai76 (talk) 18:00, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Fayenatic london do tell me if Major Raverty and others arenot Reliable as they were British Servants in words of Sutyarashi and how a genetic study that shows Dards and Swatis two different population not reliable that our friend Sutarashi had to remove the references I put inserted.

Azmarai76 (talk) 16:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

@Azmarai76 Raverty is a colonial era source, see WP:RAJ, and hence unreliabe. I did not make these policies. About genetic study, I propose you to cite it here, so it could be verified. Sutyarashi (talk) 01:59, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

oh good you have toned down against him. What do you think about Haroon ur Rashid Bangash 2004 ??? While your source is totally unreliable one's. For genetic study also even the one you want to keep says it all if you read carefully other than the conclusion part. The references in this article were all verifiable online books that you removed.

Azmarai76 (talk) 03:19, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Giuseppe Tucci is an Italian historian, while Arlinghaus, Joseph Theodore has a doctorate in history from Duke University. None of them are unreliable. I have went through your cited genetic research. It doesn't even mention Swatis anywhere. Which means it's completely irrelevant.

On the other hand, can you tell what is expertise of Haroon ur Rashid Bangash? Sutyarashi (talk) 03:34, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

He has a doctorate in Anthropology and History. BTW you are going against policy Tabloid Journalism by mentioning sources like we mountains.com and Iranica.com. Do search for better Reliable sources.

Azmarai76 (talk) 03:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Encyclopedia Iranica is reliable source. I've removed wemountains per your objection. Rest are WP:RS Sutyarashi (talk) 03:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Arlinghaus, Joseph Theodore isn't Reliable too. You know that too. His ignorance of Gabri language and Dari language tells you all. As far as Iranica is concerned it talks of Kapisa and not these Cis-Indus Swatis. It's been quoted here out of context. I see your edits to other pages related to this article also.

Azmarai76 (talk) 04:00, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Tucci, Giuseppe (1977). On Swāt: The Dards and Connected Problems. IsMEO. p. 34. The language of the Swatis being Dardic they were not separately named, but comprised in the denomination of Dards. {{ This is misleading and refers to Swatis living in Swat and not those in Cis-Indus Hazara.

Azmarai76 (talk) 04:06, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

OK, it does appear that your objection is not on the references, but on the content they support. You've been adding self-published tags after each reference, even though they are not. Sutyarashi (talk) 04:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Sutayarshi they are self published ones and got printed by Pashtun fascists. Who try to either label anyone in the region Pashtun or if not Dard.

Azmarai76 (talk) 04:43, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

we need to improve the references you quoted before we reach consensus. Don't remove tags that I have left here.

Azmarai76 (talk) 05:52, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Sutayarshi my friends I respect your efforts and love for Dards but making Tajiks Dards isn't what readers would benefit from. In dardic times Swat was called Udhiyana and not Swat. No Dards were either called Swatis and not even now. Arlinghaus has I guessed ignored these facts totally. Your response to Iranica tells all that you have purposely put sources that are not giving the readers a correct picture.

Azmarai76 (talk) 04:40, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Sutayarshi I still see we mountains.com in the references you haven't removed it as you claimed its against the policy Tabloid Journalism.

Azmarai76 (talk) 04:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Recent edits

@Azmarai76 in case you don't know, WP:SELFPUBLISHED means resources which are published by authors themselves. None of the references in the article is self-published, safe one, which is already removed. Also, you are adding irrelevant WP policies, damaging references and sentence structure.

If you don't provide any reliable reference in the support of whatever claim you want to get added, I will restore the last best version. Sutyarashi (talk) 07:14, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Sir, for telling me but being at Archeology Board I know how these References got picked up. These people aren't Dards and never has any Dard been classified as Swati. For you Raverty, Dorn B. Haroon ur Rashid, Dani all seem worthless. Else, I had already suggested to you those.

Azmarai76 (talk) 10:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

They are unreliable, not because I say so, but because of WP policies (WP:RAJ and WP:PRIMARY). However, if you mean Ahmad Hasan Dani, then he is a reliable historian. You can cite him at talk page, but be sure to write only what he states.

Like I said previously, if you cannot provide reliable references for whatever you want to add, and cannot give evidence how current sources are unreliable or self-published, I would restore the previous best version. Sutyarashi (talk) 11:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

what's wrong with Haroon ur Rasheed and Other authors like Rafiqi???? BTW if WP:RAJ is applied the first mention of Dards is Gottlieb Wilhelm Leitner a German working under the Raj in that case Dards would cease to exist.

Azmarai76 (talk) 13:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

What is expertise of Haroon ur Rashid? By a Google search, he seems to be a brigadier, not a historian. Rafiqi is ok.

Nowhere G. W Leitner is cited in the article, so he's irrelevant. Sutyarashi (talk) 14:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I would however love to get a reference to your claim that Gabri is a Dardic language by giving me an IOS code to this language.

Azmarai76 (talk) 13:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

The source states it, not me. If I do, then it would be WP:OR. So you can't say that "I claim" it to be Dardic. However, if can provide reference that it's not, then maybe we can discuss this further. Sutyarashi (talk) 14:16, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Gottlieb Wilhelm Leitner isn't WP:RAJ؟؟؟

Azmarai76 (talk) 15:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Boyce, Mary (2001), Zoroastrians: Their Religious Beliefs and Practices, London: Routledge says it is middle persian so now onus to prove it Dardic is on you please as you did alot of edits to this article۔

Azmarai76 (talk) 15:59, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

It nowhere states that Swatis spoke it. Cite any source which explicitly mentions that the Gabri language spoken by Swatis was Persian/Dari. Different languages can have same name, even Gabri actually refers to multiple languages. And the Gabri spoken by Swatis was Dardic, that's what available references say. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:15, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

not at all ۔۔۔۔ if multiple languages are called Gabari and Swatis spoke it please give me IOS code to that effect- Plus you havent told me till now why are Swatis different genetically from Dardic people who genetically related to other groups and not Swatis or Dehgans-

Azmarai76 (talk) 16:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Like I stated earlier, the content at article is exactly as the sources cite. If you think Swatis are not Dardic or are Tajik/Persian or whatever you think them to be, provide references stating them to be so. That would end the issue. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Azmarai76 till discussion comes to some point, avoid causing any changes to article. Otherwise this may be treated as edit warring. If you continue to do so before discussing at talk page, I will bring this issue at WP:ANI. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:25, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I put in WP:RSPIMPROVE for you and let you know also my venerable and learned friend۔ which you didn't take into consideration-

Azmarai76 (talk) 16:28, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

The link WP:RSPIMPROVE states Consensus can change. If circumstances have evolved since the most recent discussion, new evidence has emerged that was not available at the time, or there is a new line of argument not previously covered, consider starting a discussion or a request for comment (RfC) at the reliable sources noticeboard.

Failed to see how it is relevant here. If you think the references are not reliable, you should go to WP:RSN. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Do answer my questions on Leitner and Sir George Abraham Grierson OM KCIE FBA؟؟ Are they both not WP:RAJ ؟؟؟ Azmarai76 (talk) 16:31, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes they are WP:RAJ. However, they are not cited in the article, that's why I doubt that they are relevant. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:32, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

so you agree they have been Cited against the Wikipedias policy ؟؟؟ elsewhere as WP:RAJ isn't for one article but for whole Wikipedia۔ Isn't it؟؟؟

Azmarai76 (talk) 16:37, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah you're right. Feel free to remove RAJ-era references, especially on the caste-related topics. Note that it applies on the books themselves, that's, books published before 1947. Modern historians may make reference to such authors, by critically examining the sources. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:41, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Also please do tell me what are the IOS codes of multiple Gabris as you are suggesting۔

Azmarai76 (talk) 16:40, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

There's disambiguation page for them. For Southern Gabri, it's https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/gab while for Zoroastrian Gabri, it's https://iso639-3.sil.org/code/gbz. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Is it Africa this article talks about؟؟؟ You have reverted changes without improving your references۔ Azmarai76 (talk) 16:51, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Take this issue to WP:RSN. I'm not going to replace it when it's perfectly fine. Giuseppe Tucci is a credible historian. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

you just are getting edit war and threatening me instead۔ Is that appropriate؟؟؟

Azmarai76 (talk) 16:53, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not threatening or edit warring; one can see going through page history that who's making a lot of unconstructive changes. I'm willing to discuss it further if you just provide sources (I think I'm repeating it for fifth or sixth time). Sutyarashi (talk) 16:56, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

@Azmarai76 if you have think the references are unreliable, take them to discussion noticeboard with other editors. If you think that this issue cannot be solved by just talk page discussion, go to for dispute resolution.

I'm not going into circles any further, especially since you haven't provided any single source in support of your claims. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes i will definately before I make Sure people get quality info on Wikipedia۔ Do tell me why these people are different genetically۔

Azmarai76 (talk) 16:55, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Provide source stating that they are remarkably different from their neighbours, I doubt that is the case. Sutyarashi (talk) 16:57, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

please that is the case but its been third time you are threatening me۔ please stop doing that۔

Azmarai76 (talk) 17:00, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

BTW Dards aren't neighbours to these people mentioned in this article۔

Azmarai76 (talk) 17:02, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I think I did put in study from Habib & Tariq that showed Swatis altogether than Dards that you deleted the way you just even removed my tags for review and betterment of the readers that these are biased view۔ BTW I lived your mention to the page to that African language۔

Azmarai76 (talk) 17:05, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Please cite your that particular study on the talk page here again. And tell where it mentions Swatis. Sutyarashi (talk) 17:08, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I had done so and guess you can revert everything on your own and that study too۔ please do it and go through MDS Analysis and cluster Analysis۔ Try to make Wikipedia correct source of information instead of removing the references that aren't as you like them۔ Its request that threatening other editor will just make no difference but We will end up making Wikipedia misleading۔ BTW Sutyarashi you are using only one Arlinghaus on other related pages also that doesn't even are suitable for those pages.

Azmarai76 (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2023

fake information totally brother change it 39.32.159.183 (talk) 13:59, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 15:32, 22 December 2023 (UTC)

Swati a Pashtun tribe

I have made some minor changes as everyone knows Swadis are Pashtuns but due to some personal grudges with the tribe keep defaming this great Pashtun trib e with a glorious history...I will keep make changes as per books and I had been working on this article since 2004. Haider khan (talk) 21:38, 28 June 2023 (UTC)

I had told everyone and then have made some changes, there is no need to interfere when someone wants to glorify this Swadi page!!! Haider khan (talk) 20:14, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Someone please stop editing Swati page, if anyone has objection will be welcomed here!!!! Haider khan (talk) 10:54, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Swadi is a Pashtun tribe not people as someone waisting his time and misleading information. Haider khan (talk) 20:33, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

@Haider khan What is Pashtunized Pashtuns, can we say durranis are persianized people! 223.123.108.182 (talk) 07:49, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

@223.123.108.182 As majority of them speak persian language! 223.123.108.182 (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2023 (UTC)

If possible make the onfo correct, they compare us with kohistani, so if some know about it make the correction of Wikipedia HoneyKhan1234 (talk) 10:06, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Origins

@Khan Of Naral Swat was Dardic-majority region before Yousafzai Pashtuns came. See, for example, We Are Here to Stay: Pashtun Migrants in the Northern Areas of Pakistan. Because Swatis were also present in Swat before Pashtun colonization; and reliable sources clearly mention them to be non-Pashtun Dardics, there does not seem any reason for dispute here. Sutyarashi (talk) 15:18, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Sutyarashi ... its just like you call a Brahmin a Shodar.... that's what bringing in dispute. Azmarai76 (talk) 08:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

in swat there is no one left from. Our family we all swaties of pakhal already clear this, that their is no left swaties, in swat or migrate to swate after 1520,if some consider himself swati tbey are not, we already clear this thing, don,t play with our name behalf of some dardic peolle dNa or reports, cheak our reports in our reports we don't spoke dardic etc shit in past HoneyKhan1234 (talk) 10:10, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 May 2024

Please clarify that Swatis refer to non Pashtun people who have the surname Swati or claim to be the original inhabitants of swat. In general Swati is used mistakenly for every person from Swat, which is predominately inhabited now by the Yousafzai Pashtuns after they killed or pushed out the local Swati population. 124.170.218.26 (talk) 12:47, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 18:18, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

sources here

https://www.jatland.com/home/The_Races_of_Afghanistan/Chapter_VII

referencing The Races of Afghanistan By H. W. Bellew, C.S.I.

Published by Thacker Spink And Co. Calcutta.1880. Chapter VII: The Yusufzai

additional sources of the Yousafzai Pashtun tribe conquest of Swat valley from Pashtun History blog

https://pashtunhistory.com/swati-tribe/

Due to lack of education in the area and cultural assimilation, the Swati people of Swat wish to claim Pashtun heritage whereas genetic and historical accounts both show them as Dardic people of origin who used to originally inhabit the area prior to the Yousafzai conquest.

Finally genetic test by Swati person posting theur results on reddit showing affinity to the Dardic origins and minor traces of Pashtun DNA added due to mixing over the centuries, a very different result from the Pashtuns of Swat.

https://www.reddit.com/r/illustrativeDNA/comments/17ts1ps/pashtunized_dard_results_swati_tribe_goga_khel/

Please let me know if this will suffice. 124.170.218.26 (talk) 06:38, 12 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Reddit and blogs (user-generated content) are not considered reliable. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 14:31, 29 May 2024 (UTC)