Talk:Survivor: Caramoan/Archive 1

Archive 1

Tribe color

Gota color is too light. I suggest #FF6519, I think it is more correct.

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NuGota
OldGota

93.137.211.47 (talk) 18:44, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

It's the third time they're using orange and purple. It was also used on Micronesia and Redemption Island –BuickCenturyDriver 23:33, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Total Votes

Why are there Total Votes already when the series has not begun to air? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.90.115.114 (talk) 19:55, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Just somebody trying to spoil the season. Usually these attempts to spoil things are proven to be false. I removed it. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 20:28, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Gota

I was testing out Gota with white text earlier, and I think it looked much better and clearer with white text than black text:

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Gota
Gota

Don't you agree? --RachelRice (talk) 23:05, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Light colors should have black text. –BuickCenturyDriver 23:31, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

But it's not necessarily a light color, I'd say it's more dark than light. --RachelRice (talk) 01:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

New "Elimination Process" Table

Recently an IP added this table to the article as well as Phillipines:

Place	Contestant	Episodes
		1	2	3
	Andrea	LOW	WIN	WIN
	Brandon	IN	WIN	WIN
	Brenda	IN	WIN	WIN
	Corinne	IN	WIN	WIN
	Dawn	IN	WIN	WIN
	Eddie	WIN	IN	LOW
	Erik	IN	WIN	WIN
	John	IN	WIN	WIN
	Julia	WIN	IN	IN
	Laura	WIN	IN	IN
	Malcolm	IN	WIN	WIN
	Matt	WIN	IN	IN
	Michael	WIN	IN	IN
	Phillip	IN	WIN	WIN
	Reynold	WIN	IN	IN
	Shamar	WIN	LOW	LOW
	Sherri	WIN	IN	IN
18th	Hope	WIN	IN	OUT
19th	Allie	WIN	OUT
20th	Francesca	OUT

  The contestant was the Sole Survivor.

  The contestant was the runner-up(s).

  The contestant won team immunity.

  The contestant received a vote at elimination

  The contestant was voted out of the competition.

The table was removed by Gogo Dodo, but I would like some input from other survivor editors as to whether or not we should have this as it does look a little interesting to me. –BuickCenturyDriver 06:58, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

It makes sense in shows where there is judging based on performances (Project Runway, Top Chef, etc.) that includes some level of placement per challenge, but makes no sense in a show that is binary win or lose, stay or go home, like Survivor is. Further, it is more suited for shows where players nearly always are playing an individual game (same examples), whereas for Survivor, when only half the game is based on individual play, it makes it more complicated. --MASEM (t) 07:04, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

While I do not watch any other reality competition television show, I have seen these types of tables in other articles such as the ones Masem mentioned. They have always looked to me to be a huge mish-mash of colors and abbreviations that make very little sense to the casual reader. After seeing one built for this and the previous season, it makes even less sense for Survivor. I think the table may be reasonable for shows that have judging where placement in competitions matter, but there is no judging in Survivor and placement means nothing here. You don't get prizes for receiving fewer or more votes (which actually makes the Total Votes column fairly useless now that the tie breaker is not total votes). You don't get any advantage in coming in second. The reverse is often true. You lose that Individual Immunity and you're gone. Dominating in challenges also doesn't guarantee winning either. While Masem says that Survivor is half based on individual play, I think you really are playing individually from the get go. You have tribal play for half the game, but there is competition within your own tribe that is not, and could not be, quantified in a table. You've got alliances that think they have power, but don't (see the Gota four). You've got strong alliances where obviously somebody is low man or woman within the alliance. Alliances, the lack thereof, when to break them, when to stay loyal, etc. is really what keeps you in the game or voted out in Survivor. You can't stuff that into a table. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 08:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to see the VOTE table contain square brackets around a player who was immune.

So if Dawn wins immunity, put [] around her vote to indicate that she was safe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.123.96.22 (talk) 02:56, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

We already have that in a different table. It's not needed at vote ones. --MASEM (t) 03:18, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Colors

It looks as if they merged to green, did the show run out of colors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.29.11.149 (talk) 04:02, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Casting

I notice that there are only three alternate contestants with one source cited. Are there more contestants that they considered? I'm guess that the site here would have them if they could find sources about them. I heard a rumor that Troyzan from One World was replaced in favor of Malcolm from last season, but I don't know if that's true or not. I'm just wondering why there isn't as much alternate cast listed when there is for another seasons like this.

65.214.69.226 (talk) 16:34, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Next Survivor

Look like the next Survivor will be in Tasmania. see this. 108.29.11.149 (talk) 11:59, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Page for Cochran?

It only seems fair to make a separate page for Cochran, doesn't it? I mean, considering he was a two-time participant and a season winner, when we've already made pages for people who won only one season (like Fabio and Kim). 71.140.91.127 (talk) 02:36, 13 May 2013 (UTC) Go for it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.130.28 (talk) 02:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Go for it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.111.130.28 (talk) 03:23, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Just winning a reality show competition is not sufficient for having an article. Mind you, winning may lead to more coverage for him to have an article but it shouldnt be just because he won. --MASEM (t) 05:56, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

I do agree with user Masem, but let's play devils advocate. If a first-time actor is in a new tv series that gets canceled after 1 season... does he get an article or not? I don't know what the rules are here, but there is really little difference these days since reality shows dominate the small screen. And Cochran has been on two seasons. Fyunck(click) (talk) 06:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

The general rule for any topic is the general notability guideline, requiring significant coverage in multiple secondary sources. Now, while Cochran's role on the show has been documented, that's all that (as I'm aware of) we know of it, and there's little outside his show personality. Now, it could be we'll learn more about him as he makes the winner's circuit in talk shows and the like and that could justify that. But just being on a reality show, or even winning it, is not sufficient. --MASEM (t) 14:06, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

OK, well I can understand those guidelines; but if that's true, then how does Kim from One World have her own page? There's nothing noteworthy about her outside of Survivor. And again, she won - and competed on - only one season. 71.140.91.127 (talk) 00:22, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

Unanimous Vote

Earl won his season 9-0-0 so Cochran is the third player to do so not the second.68.146.28.190 (talk) 08:20, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

That is correct, however Earl Cole received one vote at a tribal council in his season, so he is just shy of playing the "perfect game". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.170.244.79 (talk) 11:22, 13 May 2013 (UTC)