Talk:Surachman Tjokroadisurjo

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A fact from Surachman Tjokroadisurjo appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 December 2021 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that as finance minister, Surachman Tjokroadisurjo often stored government funds inside suitcases in his home?

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Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Theleekycauldron (talk) 21:44, 12 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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... that as finance minister, Surachman Tjokroadisurjo often carried home suitcases of cash? Source: [1] "Pada waktu menjadi Menteri Keuangan Ir. Surakhman sering membawa pulang uang berkoper-koper" -> "When he was Finance Minister, Ir. Surakhman would often carry home suitcases of money".

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hog Island (Wisconsin)
Comment: Not in the "stealing the money" context as much as "taking it home because idk where to put it". Still, that sounds quite hook-y.

Created by Juxlos (talk). Self-nominated at 09:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC). General eligibility:[reply]

New enough:
Long enough:
Other problems:

Policy compliance:

Adequate sourcing:
Neutral:
Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
Other problems:

Hook eligibility:

Cited:
Interesting:
Other problems: - n

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nice hook, but ALT0 states cash was taken; text says bonds or funds. How about clearing up this ambiguity?

@Georgejdorner: how about “storing the cash in suitcases”? Juxlos (talk) 03:37, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Most excellent! You are gonna pull some page views with this.Georgejdorner (talk) 05:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- @Juxlos and Georgejdorner: I'm not sure how y'all want to modify the hook; could you please make sure it's in its final state before i promote it? theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she?) 18:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- @Theleekycauldron: It is as it is currently written, I modified the article prose. Juxlos (talk) 23:31, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

To T:DYK/P3

GA Review

Passed. Amitchell125 (talk) 15:41, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

This review is transcluded from Talk:Surachman Tjokroadisurjo/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Amitchell125 (talk · contribs) 10:33, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Happy to review the article. AM

Review comments

Lead section / infobox

~~Link cabinets (Cabinet (government)).~~

Linked

National Revolution – amend to its full title, ‘Indonesian National Revolution’, for the sake of clarity.

Changed

Delft Institute of Technology – I would include that this is in the Netherlands.

Added

returned to Indonesia – during this period, was it not referred to as 'the East Indies'?

Depending on who you asked, but yeah, fair enough, changed

Minister of Finance is a duplicate link.

Delinked

1 Early life

~~Link internship.~~

I feel like this will be a bit of WP:OVERLINK.

Understood. AM

descendent - ‘descendant’

Fixed

the third – ‘was the third’.

Fixed

Europeesche Lagere School – has no italics.

Straightened up, and same for the next name

~~Add a comma after went to the Netherlands.~~

Added

~~Amend Prior returning to the Indies to something like ‘Before returning to the East Indies’, to improve the prose.~~

Amended

2 Early career

~~Link laboratory; nationalists (Nationalism).~~

Same, laboratory feels like a bit of overlinking?

After returning – amend to ‘After returning from Germany’ for the sake of clarity.

Fair enough

rejecting a job offer in the police department – this should a separate sentence, to improve the prose.

Separated

~~Introduce Sukarno.~~

Done

~~Add a comma after donations.~~

Added

3 Political career

hike – ‘increase’ is more encyclopedic.

Done

Link civil servants; bureaucrats; government bonds; opium; tin mining; nationalisation.

~~Is the first two needed? Linked the other 3.~~

I'm going with the flow here... :) AM

Not long after, however is redundant text and can be omitted.

Removed

~~Why significant?~~
to poor archiving – it’s not clear to me what this phrase means.
would default on – makes little sense.

Reworded the section in question for the 3 points above. Does it flow better now?

Looks fine now. AM

inside of his home - ‘inside his home’?

Fixed

Operation Product – a brief explanation (perhaps in brackets) would be useful.

Would that suffice?

Looks OK. AM

of UI - ‘of the UI’ sounds better.

Fixed

He was also still active in Bandung, lecturing – ‘He continued to lecture’ sounds better imo.

Updated to "lectured", I just realize I never said he lectured that before.

4 Personal life

His wife, Sunarti, was 16 – no commas are needed here.

Fixed

While – ‘and’.

Which one do you mean? If it's the personal life 'while', shouldn't it be more appropriate as it's a comparison?

Apologies, my brain melts after several hours of GA reviews.AM

~~Why at the time?~~

Same as above

She was the sole daughter of the regent of Grobogan at the time - implies that another daughter reappears later... I would simplify it to 'She was the sole daughter of the regent of Grobogan at the time'. Feel free to ignore me here. Amitchell125 (talk) 15:36, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

5 References

No plagiarism found.

The link for Anderson’s book is dated 1972, not 2006.

I hate versions. Fixed

Ref 17 (Suryomenggolo) should be listed in full within the Sources section, not here. Only a short citation (Name/Year/Page) is needed in this section.

Relocated

On hold

I'm putting the article on hold for a week until 12 August to allow time for the issues raised to be addressed. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 16:07, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Amitchell125: Issues addressed, I believe. Juxlos (talk) 12:42, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Passing

Passing now, great work Juxlos. Regards, Amitchell125 (talk) 15:40, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.