Talk:Suicide prevention

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• feel that if someone wants to mark the article for cleanup, it is not appropriate to do so without posting comments on the talk page! adam black 2005 July 6 23:38 (UTC)

• just added some new material - let me know what you think! also, here are my thoughts on an overall outline for the interventions section - if you're interested in working together to flesh this out/revise the outline/etc. let me know on my talk page!

INTERVENTIONS (and effectiveness)

• Prevention at the Level of the Individual

Identifying Risk and Increasing Help-Seeking Behavior

Developing Life Skills and Promoting Social Networks

Providing Mental Health Services and Crisis Management (incl. Hotlines and Crisis Centers)

• Prevention at the Level of the Population

Targeting Environmental Risk Factors (incl. Lethal Means Reduction with added info on bridge barriers, restriction on medication access, lethal means counseling, etc. as well as added info on opposing viewpoints such as from the gun industry)

Targeting Societal Risk Factors [incl. Improvement of Media Portrayal of Suicide and Stigma Reducing Efforts]

PursuitOfPublicHealth (talk) 15:23, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Suicide note

I just stumbled across this [1] . I dont now how real it is but its worrying. There is a Wikipedia article on Chris McKinstry. His blog looks as though he's just taken his life. Lumos3 23:30, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Clean Up?

This article lacks any kind of citation or sources for all the statements made. A source for the "intervention for recurrent suicide attempters is being developed which involves a combination of open discussion of the daily lived experience of individuals who have made repeated suicide attempts, and teaching new skills that can be used to 'stay safe'" would be helpful, as well as a source for each heading. Thehatinthecat 13:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Phone line

We do not typically put help lines on the top of articles. Specifically since this one was country specific. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 21:55, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Moved from article: The National Suicide Prevention Hotline number is 1-800-273-8255, and is available 24/7 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.98.248.101 (talk) 05:21, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

Images

They all seem to be US sourced. Might be worth adding examples from elsewhere, if anyone can source some. Dolescum (talk) 18:20, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

It seems this article is US focused, I've tagged it as such at the top. - A Canadian Toker (talk) 14:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

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GA Nomination

Can this article be reviewed(if anything is missing, do discuss them in this talk page) and nominated for GA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.215.194.228 (talk) 20:27, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Removing all the images

Not sure why these were removed?

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:53, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Hi, as an assignment for a college psych class, I will be contributing to this page. These are two sources that I will be consulting for my contribution and Cooks2 (talk) 04:19, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

The first is good. The second less so.

User:Cooks2 please also have a good read of the article first. Some of your editions duplicated content already present.

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:43, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

References

Further reading addition

I suggest that the book Suicide Prohibition: The Shame of Medicine by psychiatrist Thomas Szasz be added to the further reading section. Michael Ten (talk) 04:56, 7 January 2018 (UTC)

Cost

With respect to this "The average suicide costs $1,329,553. This amount consists of lost productivity following the suicide attempt as well as the cost of medical treatment."[2]

This is an estimate only about the US. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:47, 6 March 2018 (UTC)

Lithium

According to this researcher, a physician, it appears that much of the research on lithium and suicidality is based on lithium cessation studies, not lithium administration in lithium-naive, suicidal individuals. Her conclusion:

"So there is the evidence on lithium and suicide. The meta-analysis that has been accepted as demonstrating that lithium prevents suicide spuriously inflated the suicide rate on placebo by excluding studies in which no suicides occurred. The only double blind, prospective study designed to test whether lithium reduces suicide in people at high risk, ended up unblinding many of its participants, and in any case suicidal events were low in both groups." https://www.madinamerica.com/2015/07/lithium-and-suicide-what-does-the-evidence-show/

Thus, lithium may not be the effective remedy that the main article suggests it is, and it may be worth identifying that the evidence is less clearly in favor of it as a valuable intervention for suicidality. I hope that helps. Gaom83 (talk) 02:23, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Gaom83 I agree, I think the "Medication" section should either say something like

"Several different medications have been shown to reduce suicidality, such as ... (list)"

However, as there are multiple classes of such medications and multiple examples of each, used in different circumstances, I think it would be better to say something like

"Medication to prevent suicide primarily involves addressing the psychiatric conditions which increase one's risk of suicide; E.g. by treating depression with anti-depressants, manic depression/bipolar disorder with mood stabilisers, schizophrenia with antpsychotics etc."

Also, effective treatment regimens for any one person with a psychiatric condition that causes suicidality often take several years to be developed, because different people will respond differently to the same medications.

I think it's also worth mentioning that in some conditions medication alone is limited in reducing suicidality (especially in the long term), and best practice stresses the importance of psychology/counseling for therapy/preventing suicide.

Anyway yes, I share a similar concern with this section in that people might get the wrong impression that taking lithium/medication alone is the best/primary/only way to prevent suicide.

Bonomiu (talk) 11:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)Bonomiu

References

Merge from Suicide intervention

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

To not merge, on the grounds that these are distinct, if closely related, topics that are worthy of separate discussion. Klbrain (talk) 12:40, 30 April 2021 (UTC)

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I don't think there is any difference between suicide prevention and intervention, those names seem to refer to the same concept. Wouldn't the reader be better served if we had only one article about this? Thoughts? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:43, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

User:Piotrus I think there is a significant difference, Suicide Prevention is preventing people from committing suicide in the first place (Like Support Groups), Suicide intervention is preventing the suicide from happening, while it is happening. (Like Crisis Hotline phones on bridges)JazzClam (talk) 20:42, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

JazzClam, I think this is splitting heir. The difference is minuscule. Do sources on suicide (studies, guides/manual for prevention, etc.) differentiate between the terms? _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:51, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Piotrus, I haven't read up on the topic that much, but there are different procedures. Like I said before, one is preventative (Suicide Prevention, support groups, etc) and one is interventional, (Suicide Intervention, crisis hotline phones on bridges, etc). But I do think that a link to the other article should be placed as a hatnote on the page. JazzClam (talk) 14:51, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

There is a considerable difference between the two and, with what JazzClam has already stated, the two articles shouldn't be merged. FredModulars (talk) 18:31, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

General Cleanup

Hi, I am doing this for a class and I'm totally new to editing Wikipedia, but from my perspective, I feel like this article has a lot of good information but could use some work structurally and grammatically. I made some changes myself with the grammar, but I do feel like there are more areas that could use some restructuring to help it flow just a little better and I doubt I caught all the grammatical issues. 1Kayla246 (talk) 03:34, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Legislation edit

@HJ Mitchell: Can you help explain what is wrong with my text? I've asked someone else before and all they said was "look at the referencing guide" which I had done already and thought it was good. I believe this information to be useful to be added to Wikipedia, so let me know what I can do to improve it. Nikkivaneijk (talk) 08:23, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Pardon me for being brief but I'm typing on a tablet because I'm travelling. The main problem with your content is that you're citing the legislation itself, which is a primary source. That verifies the existence of the legislation but nothing else. Your analysis appears to be original research, which is forbidden on Wikipedia. As an encyclopaedia, Wikipedia is interested in secondary sources, preferably academic works. That's the main reason your addition has been reverted. There are other issues with layout and proportionate weighting, but those can be solved more easily and don't preclude its inclusion altogether. @Nikkivaneijk: HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:01, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

That's okay. I do wonder what the difference is between my additions and the content on for example the page suicide legislation. Looking through the individual countries and the text written there, most sources are also primary sources linking to Bills and Laws. I do not pretend to make any claims about the effectiveness of any prevention laws, so I am not sure why my text is original research. All I tried to do was make a summary of existing legislation and put it into words more easily understood than legislative texts and order it by country. I would be happy to discuss this further, I do not want to be a bad editor on Wikipedia, this is my first time on here. I could email you as well if that would be easier, I saw you had your email listed on your page. @HJ Mitchell Nikkivaneijk (talk) 11:16, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Because Wikipedia is openly editable and written by volunteers, not everything is as good as we'd like it to be, but that doesn't mean we can't try to maintain quality on articles that are actively maintained. Your summary is original research because it's your summary, not a published academic's. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:52, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

First image

The first image is of the “National Suicide Prevention Lifeline”, which has now become the “988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline“, which has it’s own logo (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:988_Suicide_%26_Crisis_Lifeline_logo_-_navy_-_square.svg). The image and caption should be changed. Tankpiggy18 (talk) 00:40, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Hatnote

May I suggest we add a link to meta:Mental health resources, perhaps as a hatnote, that imitates the language of {{Self-harm}}? The latter is often added as a talk page header on suicide-related talk pages, but the primary audience for talk page headers is editors, who aren't particularly at risk, when that information would be most beneficial if it were instead directed to visitors, many of whom are presumably visiting suicide-related pages for a reason. DFlhb (talk) 15:23, 17 March 2023 (UTC)

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) regarding the use of suicide crisis telephone numbers (which this article includes). The thread is Suicide hotlines. Thank you. TheSpacebook (talk) 01:42, 19 April 2024 (UTC)