Talk:Submarine snorkel

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prudish writing?

The discussion of having to store garbage inside the submarine, what's the big deal with that? is perplexing unless you consider that the article author is being prudish about defecation and urination and how those basic human processes are handled on a submarine. Which should just be described factually. doncram (talk) 00:17, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Invention

There are some evidences of snorkel experiments on russian submarine "Feldmarshal Graf Sheremetev" during 1915. Dutch made experiment with snorkel kompressor (not for engine) after WWI. ~~Ходок~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.25.82.190 (talk) 11:24, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"deafened by the roaring"

There is a phrase sound-detection gear was deafened by the roaring of the air being sucked down the tube which looks incorrect to me. AFAIK, what mostly interfered with sonar operation was working diesel engine and not sound of the "sucked air" which probably much quieter. Russian wiki talks about engine noise, but without a reference. Did a quick search but also couldn't find a specific reference for the source of the interfering noise. Any suggestions? --Zigmar (talk) 21:44, 14 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Origin of the word snorkel

When did the word "snorkel" originate? It sounds German. 96.54.32.44 (talk) 06:17, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It may sound german to you, it doesn't to me. In fact, it's dutch, apparently from the mid 20th entury. It has the same meaning as english snorkel. Dutch took the word from german Schnorchel, meaning snorkel or (dialectal) snout, which in turn is related to scharchen (to snore), an onomatopoeia. (Source: Van Dale ethymological dictionary.) PiusImpavidus (talk) 23:00, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I know German when I see it. The Dutch called it a snuiver (sniffer) according to the article, although no citation is given. The British term snort is probably closest. Keegan doesn't even mention the English term snorkel.

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I haven't found the German etymology of schnorchel. Modern translations invariably equate it to snorkel. Here's the best explanation:

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Schnorchel#German

From schnarchen (“to snore”). So called because of the submarine snorkel's operative resemblance to a nose and its noise when in use.

I don't know how they get from schnarchen to schnorchel.

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I wrote a suitable sentence for the article but it introduces too much of my interpretation:

Sailors called the device a schnorchel (from schnarchen, “to snore”) because it allowed a U-boat to "breathe" and made a noise when sucking in air.

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Since I am not a linguist, a submariner, or a historian, anything I attempt would be OWN WORK. Hence I am flagging this for an expert. Humpster (talk) 04:49, 23 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

USS_H-3_(SS-30)

ex USS H-3 (SS-30) submarine, which Italy had received as part of the World War I settlement.

...the above from this article seems to conflict with the below.

http://wiki.riteme.site/wiki/USS_H-3_(SS-30): "H-3 decommissioned at Hampton Roads on 23 October. She was struck from the Naval Vessel Register on 18 December 1930 and scrapped on 14 September 1931" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.64.76.44 (talk) 23:45, 2 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

History 1897

Argonaut (submarine) hat snorkels. Missing in history of this article. For references see Encyclopedia of Military Technology and Innovation (page 225) Best --109.40.103.126 (talk) 12:02, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How did snorkel take in fresh air and also expel submarine's air?

Did snorkels have two pipes, one taking in air, another expelling air? If so, how were these pipes configured so that the expelled air was not sucked in by the intake pipe? Pete unseth (talk) 15:17, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They didn't. The snorkel was an intake pipe, the exhaust was just bubbled out from beneath the water. Typically the engine exhaust was used for this - the engines ran on internal air in the submarine and their exhaust was the only outlet from the boat. Without a snorkel, there was a a single main induction valve, mounted as high as possible, so in the rear of the sail."7 Ventilation System". The Fleet Type Submarine Online. That main induction valve then supplied large ducts to the engine room and smaller ducts to the crew spaces, particularly forwards. Electric fans were used to move air forwards (long, narrow ducts don't flow well without assistance) but the main circulation effort was provided by the engine intakes. These used much more air than the crew did. At snorkel depth, the engine exhaust pressure was easily sufficient to overcome shallow water pressure.

With snorkels, this was much the same. The snorkel was connected in to the single main induction trunk, just with a valve to control which was in use at the time. Snorkels typically had an automatic head valve too. Running for ventilation on the snorkel still required the engines to be running.

Later on, there was more interest in running at snorkel depth but without the engines running. Only then did electric exhausters (i.e. enough pressure to overcome water pressure through the exhaust system) begin to be needed to maintain circulation through the whole system. I don't know of any which needed fans on the snorkel inlet side. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]