Talk:Stephen Jones (attorney)

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Karen Abbott (March 9, 1997). "Going all out to save McVeigh". Denver Rocky Mt. News Online. Scripps Newspaper Group.

I removed the hotlink because there is no indication that this website received permission to reprint the article in question. If there is proof that they have such permission then we can keep it. Will Beback talk 02:59, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks for clearing this up. Frankly, I am unaware of the Wikipedia policy regarding links and copyright. Is it policy that all references (e.g. web citations) must clearly be marked and proven free of copyright violation ? Seems rather stringent as pointing to a site is in no way an infringement of copyright. I guess I need to go read up on this - can you point me in the right direction ? Also, the Rocky Mountain News no longer exists and published its last issue over 2 years ago. So, it is gonna be kinda hard to track down reprint permission - maybe archive.org might have the site's policy at the time. Ronald Joe Record (talk) 07:45, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia policy is insanely stringent. Years ago people would upload all kinds of photos that didn't have obvious copyright watermarks (and even some that did). However U.S. copyright law could hold the Wikimedia Foundation liable for contributory violations for hosting the content, so it was all purged - a process of great discomfort to the community. Later the rules were also tightened for linking to copyright violations, which has particularly affected TV clips on YouTube. While Youtube hosts violating videos (at least until they're told to take them down), other sites, often specialized, have copies of newspaper articles. As those have come up for review, in every case the community has decided they must be deleted. There are numerous pages to try to explain the practical aspects. WP:COPYRIGHT is the place to start.

Sometimes we get things wrong. I remember deleting to links to an private website hosting newspaper article. The webmaster informed he had paid or received specific permisssion to host the articles, and pointed out the "permissions" on the page to prove it. (Though I supposed they could be faked.) Read the one-sentence second italicized paragraph. See the graphic at the end of the article. Very few webmasters go to the trouble of doing things legally in this regard, but Wikipedia holds itself to the highest standard and so link to obvious violations of copyright aren't allowed.

However there's no problem with this citation. The Proquest newspaper archive has issues covering Jan 1, 1997 - Mar 25, 2007, which fortunately covers this date. The citation in the article includes a short quote (which I omitted here for simplicity). I can access the article and add a longer quote if that'd be helpful. Even if it were more difficult to access the original, the citation would still be valid without a URL Will Beback talk 08:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've re-removed the link to the possible copyright violation. Thanks again for the pointers and explanation. Seems like a backward policy to me (guilty until proven innocent) but I can understand the desire to keep content here untainted even if it means the assumption of good faith will not be extended beyond these walls. Next up - you cannot link to a page that links to a page that does not contain legal proof it is not in violation of copyright law! :) But seriously, thanks and good luck finding and removing the tens of thousands of such links! Ronald Joe Record (talk) 16:49, 15 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

McVeigh case

My apologies for the two-sentence paragraph. I will check out American Terrorist in the next few days to beef up the section some. hbdragon88 (talk) 01:02, 19 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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